(06-14-2024, 04:45 PM)l0st Wrote: Transgenderism is a sexual orientation. 

(06-14-2024, 04:40 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Bullying and teenage suicides because of bullying are off the charts...these days if my child were to be seriously affected by this alone I'd probably pull them out of school.  

(06-14-2024, 06:56 PM)ANNEE Wrote: GENDER -- it's about gender.

However -- we are talking about teenagers.  Teenagers are rampant sexual beings.

(06-14-2024, 08:52 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Every child in school today is a number.  They use their number to log into online instruction, and for other needs/activities.

But kids themselves are so varied -- "equal" kind of gets wobbly.  However, since almost everything is electronic/online -- academics today are more equal than in the past.  No teacher's pet  

I agree on bullying.  I'd have my kid pulled so fast -- heads would spin.  If the school didn't adequately handle it.

I'm dealing with Autism/ADHD/Gender variant.  I have every person's email that is involved in his education -- and am not afraid to use them.  You have to advocate for your kid -- with direct politeness.

(06-15-2024, 10:15 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Hey Annee good to see you here...it's all about the limited amount of classroom time

I was kind of joking on using numbers, as an extreme measure to get away from school being disrupted and our teachers actually teaching all students. ie the teacher, substitute or not has a list of the students and their number. When calling roll the calls the number and voila no more problem. Much easier than remembering each person's pronouns, especially for a substitute. 

It's not easy being a teacher, we have 3 teachers in our family, one just retired. They have always stressed trying to limit anything that takes a way from actual classroom time. So when societal changes pop up, these disruptions make a difference.

One reason most private schools they were uniforms, it's not to mesh anybody into a mold it's just if we celebrate everybody's individuality there is no time for actual learning. 

Generally, our children's quality of education is dropping lower and lower, some would say thats how they want them to be. But we are falling behind the rest of the world, how does Europe or Asia handle this type of issue?

 10 Countries with Best World Education Rank:
(Score of 1 is the highest possible score)
1. Iceland - 0.938
2. Germany - 0.917
3. New Zealand - 0.914
4. Norway - 0.912
5. Denmark - 0.909
6. Finland - 0.907
7. Switzerland - 0.902
8. United Kingdom - 0.901
9. Slovenia - 0.898
10. Australia - 0.896

(06-15-2024, 10:15 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Hey Annee good to see you here...it's all about the limited amount of classroom time

I was kind of joking on using numbers, . . . 

(06-15-2024, 02:53 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Thanks for welcoming me.

Hush Hush Secret:  I didn't really take your number idea seriously 

Not every child is a "student".  Like for my kid -- academia -- is least important compared to self-esteem, socialization, etc.

What is a teacher today?  How much actual "teaching" do they do?  Almost everything is automated and online.

We've all heard "Square Peg -- Round Hole" -- are we finally doing something about it? 

Are we finally accepting we are born who we are -- and not everyone fits the standard social indoctrinations.

I swear most of us spend our lives trying to rid ourselves of the indoctrinations that were forced on us by parents and society. Trying to discover who we really are.

Imagine -- just being allowed "to be" from birth -- discovering your likes and dislikes without being herded into a "box".

And BTW -- I am actually more conservative than that sounds -- but I'm not STUCK in antiquated routines of social acceptability.

"That which is not earned has no value"

And I support school uniforms 

Quote:Why lockdown and distance learning during the COVID-19 pandemic are likely to increase the social class achievement gapThe research discussed in this article suggests that there are good reasons to predict that this period of school closures will accelerate the reproduction of social inequalities in educational achievement.
 
By making school learning less dependent on teachers and more dependent on families and digital tools and resources, school closures are likely to greatly amplify social class inequalities.

At a time when many countries are experiencing second, third or fourth waves of the pandemic, resulting in fresh periods of local or general lockdowns, systematic efforts to test these predictions are urgently needed along with steps to reduce the impact of school closures on the social class achievement gap.
 

Quote:Online classes for grades K-12 can work well for some students, but they also present several challenges compared to in-person instruction. Here are some key points about the effectiveness of online learning for K-12 students:
Pros:

• Flexibility and convenience for students who may have difficulties attending in-person classes due to health issues, travel requirements, or other circumstances.
  
• Access to a wider range of course offerings, especially for students in rural areas or those seeking niche subjects.
  
• Ability to review recorded lessons and work at one's own pace.
  
• Development of important skills like time management, self-motivation, and independent learning.
  

Cons:

• Lack of face-to-face interaction and hands-on activities, which can be particularly challenging for younger students and those requiring more guidance.
  
• Potential for distractions and lack of structure at home, making it harder for some students to stay focused and engaged.
  
• Technological barriers, such as limited access to reliable internet or devices, which can exacerbate educational inequities.
  
• Difficulty in replicating the social and emotional learning experiences of a traditional classroom setting.
  

Overall, the effectiveness of online classes for K-12 students depends on various factors, including the student's age, learning style, self-discipline, and access to support systems. While online learning can be a viable option for some, it may not be ideal for all students, particularly those in the early elementary grades or those who thrive better in a more structured, in-person environment.
Successful implementation often requires significant parental involvement, access to necessary technology, and well-designed online curricula that incorporate interactive elements and opportunities for feedback and support.

(06-15-2024, 01:47 PM)l0st Wrote: I personally don't think its at all reasonable to expect anyone to remember one of the 96 pronouns for each student. Calling people numbers is insulting and degrading. These kids aren't in prison or s concentration camp.

People remember the standard pronouns because there are only two and they coincide with visual appearance.

I keep asking questions on threads on this topic for years now and notice I NEVER seem to get straight answers or more often than not bo answers at all. It certainly appears that members of this movement seem to think they have the right to dictate to others.

Adult life is not a parent-child relationship. Nobody has to follow this movement's edicts by decree.

So here are the questions again:

Where are all the kindergarten activists?
Why was this not in issue in my childhood?
If the gender changes are real, why the need for life long pharmaceuticals?
Why do we need new bathrooms?
Why do we need 96 new pronouns?
Why has the movement hijacked causes related to sexual orientation when the claim is that the issue is non-sexual?
What rights does this group claim are being restricted?
Why is there a causal link between child transgenderism and parents with Borderline Personality Disorder?
Why is the rate of narcissistic sociopathy in this group so high? I read a study that said 87% of this group is diagnosed with a dark triad disorder.
Why does this group claim no mental illness when the condition is listed in the DSM?
Why is the desire to cut off one's hand or arm considered a serious medical emergency but desire to cut off one's genitals considered perfectly normal?

See, I think these are legitimate questions and frankly, they're the same ones a lot of people outside this movement also have. The fact that this movement simply ignores these questions is in my opinion a huge red flag, and the lack of response is a disservice to members of that community.





I think I already know what the answer is though, and I don't get answers because these are very uncomfortable questions for proponents of these treatments because they may shed light on the fact that things might not be as they seem.

(06-15-2024, 07:59 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Respectfully as I pointed out to Annee I jokingly suggested the number system, to handle this absurd problem. As for it being insulting and degrading, that's just your hyperbolic thoughts, virtually no different than the person wanting to be called by their personal designer pronouns 

It was a substitute teacher, not a regular teacher. Doesn't sound as if there was difficulty with the regular teachers, so it was likely just a pissy student with a pissy substitute. Substitute teachers get abused a lot of times, even back in the day. 

My point generally is I'm against anything that disrupts or takes away from teachers actually teaching. If we bend to all the individual needs of the students there would be no time left for real teaching. 

As for your points most, valid or not don't even apply to this specific thread. It all comes down to the Wyoming Board of Education standards and practices. You know like actual state laws, and the less the DC is involved the better. Not sure if it was approved or not. 


[Image: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/cowboystatedaily.com.ico]https://cowboystatedaily.com › 2024 › 02 › 27 › senate-passes-bill-that-would-ban-forced-use-of-preferred-pronouns-in-wyomingBill Banning Forced Use Of Preferred Pronouns Passes Wyoming Senate
Feb 27, 2024A bill that would ban Wyoming state and county governments, along with public schools, from forcing people to use preferred gender pronouns passed the Senate on Tuesday and now moves to the House for consideration.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/laws-on-trans-nonbinary-student-pronouns-put-teachers-in-a-bind/2023/05

Where are all the kindergarten activists? Does not apply
Why was this not in issue in my childhood? Does not apply the world changes 
If the gender changes are real, why the need for life long pharmaceuticals? Does not apply
Why do we need new bathrooms? Does not apply
Why do we need 96 new pronouns? Applies 
Why has the movement hijacked causes related to sexual orientation when the claim is that the issue is non-sexual? Does not apply
What rights does this group claim are being restricted? Marginal at best
Why is there a causal link between child transgenderism and parents with Borderline Personality Disorder?Does not apply
Why is the rate of narcissistic sociopathy in this group so high? I read a study that said 87% of this group is diagnosed with a dark triad disorder. Does not apply
Why does this group claim no mental illness when the condition is listed in the DSM? Does not apply
Why is the desire to cut off one's hand or arm considered a serious medical emergency but desire to cut off one's genitals considered perfectly normal? Does not apply

(06-15-2024, 02:53 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Thanks for welcoming me.

Hush Hush Secret:  I didn't really take your number idea seriously 

Not every child is a "student".  Like for my kid -- academia -- is least important compared to self-esteem, socialization, etc.

What is a teacher today?  How much actual "teaching" do they do?  Almost everything is automated and online.

We've all heard "Square Peg -- Round Hole" -- are we finally doing something about it? 

Are we finally accepting we are born who we are -- and not everyone fits the standard social indoctrinations.

I swear most of us spend our lives trying to rid ourselves of the indoctrinations that were forced on us by parents and society. Trying to discover who we really are.

Imagine -- just being allowed "to be" from birth -- discovering your likes and dislikes without being herded into a "box".

And BTW -- I am actually more conservative than that sounds -- but I'm not STUCK in antiquated routines of social acceptability.

"That which is not earned has no value"

And I support school uniforms 

(06-16-2024, 12:29 PM)l0st Wrote: And once again, the lack of responses illustrates my points. No wonder this group keeps losing in the courts, government, and public opinion. If you do not want to answer these questions then you're never going to get what you want because nobody understands where you're coming from with all this.

Every time these questions are asked they are simply dismissed by the transgender lobby as being "irrelevant". Well, hate to break it to you, they ARE relevant.

I'd love to see this lobby go to court and tell the judge they will not respond to the defendant's arguments because they are "irrelevant".

Here I am trying to gain a better understanding of the issues only to be repeatedly dismissed by those that can answer my questions.

Groups who refusebto answer serious questions have no credibility, and it certainly shows you're not here to have any kind of serious discussion. You're here to preach your beliefs to others. We don't have to accept your beliefs.