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RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - Karl12 - 08-29-2024
(08-17-2024, 09:38 PM)jaded Wrote: The dimensional thing got blown out of the water for me when a physicist took a nutty about how no one, NO ONE has proven even so much as one other dimension exists. Science has less evidence of other dimensions than just about anything else you can think of.
Physicist flipping out? Priceless!!
Got to love it when physicists get all stroppy mate but suppose he's right about the lack of tangible evidence - obviously loads of different theoretical conjectures out there about what constitutes reality from quantum holography, singularity destinations, dark matter/energy involvement etc. but guess in the end nobody knows much.
It's a bit dated but regarding the dimensional aspect always liked this Sagan vid on Abbott's work and some reported UFO attributes did stand out
If the fourth dimension is time then also found it interesting that the CIA were actively petitioning John Wheeler back in 1953 to 'attack the flying saucer problem'.
Granted global high strangeness UFO accounts, reality glitches, Oz effects, timeslips etc are willfully ignored by material reductionists but reckon not that much is fully understood about timespace or consciousness either (sounds bonkers but could something not be manipulating both?).
Looked into a lot of global reports over the years but I'll be the first to admit I'm at a loss to explain anything lol.
(08-17-2024, 09:38 PM)jaded Wrote: So I'm back to my original thought that whatever's here is out of our visual spectrum, it's here, we live along side it. No biggie. One thing not discussed.
Good stuff and do remember Keel once positing that conjunctivitis suffered by some UFO witnesses could be radiation caused by the object shifting into our visible spectrum.
Some UFO encounters do appear to begin with a 'blue flash' which could be a product of the shift.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 09-04-2024
(08-29-2024, 01:01 AM)Karl12 Wrote: Got to love it when physicists get all stroppy mate but suppose he's right about the lack of tangible evidence - obviously loads of different theoretical conjectures out there about what constitutes reality from quantum holography, singularity destinations, dark matter/energy involvement etc. but guess in the end nobody knows much.
It's a bit dated but regarding the dimensional aspect always liked this Sagan vid on Abbott's work and some reported UFO attributes did stand out
[Video: https://youtu.be/UnURElCzGc0]
If the fourth dimension is time then also found it interesting that the CIA were actively petitioning John Wheeler back in 1953 to 'attack the flying saucer problem'.
Granted global high strangeness UFO accounts, reality glitches, Oz effects, timeslips etc are willfully ignored by material reductionists but reckon not that much is fully understood about timespace or consciousness either (sounds bonkers but could something not be manipulating both?).
Looked into a lot of global reports over the years but I'll be the first to admit I'm at a loss to explain anything lol.
Good stuff and do remember Keel once positing that conjunctivitis suffered by some UFO witnesses could be radiation caused by the object shifting into our visible spectrum.
Some UFO encounters do appear to begin with a 'blue flash' which could be a product of the shift.
Actually like Sagan, unfortunately his voice puts me into a coma faster than Bob Ross's ever did!! Don't panic, I'd seen this video before grins!!!
I'm partial to Time Dilation as a part-answer to things as well as Steve Mera's info that "entities that may like us like infrared light, an those that vex us are run off by UV Black Light". So I'll suppose the 1970's dance halls filled with black light were safer than I remember? Heehee!!
Had gridded my home with crystals but eventually one of the cats found them all. He was ever the rock thief! Looking at gridding the property with old iron horse shoes. Tales are farmers used to use iron around their sheep pastures ect to keep their stock safe. Theory is the Gray ETs hate it too so it's maybe a win-win? Can't hurt.
Here's a mind bender for you!
Watched this last night & also went over to Tom Montauk's website & read some of the Q&A's. Which btw would make one heck of a good book! Reguardless...(yes UK spelling) On my way to work at high speed (had to beat co-worker to my parking spot) there it was...a freaking gray owl sitting on the guardrail. It looked at me coming, passing an as I drove at insane speed past it. WHAT THE FLIP are the odds????
Never seen a owl on that road, never saw one ever sitting that low to the ground & nope. No roadkill or baby bunnies bouncing around. Some regularly do run across that road, but not there. The weirdness of this will make sense if you watch the video.
Oh!! Plus the info for the most part is accurate.
Did have some issues with Montauk's ET info in the Q&A. Like I've said the NHI never gets everything correct/in context. Plus it lies anyways...Haven't seen part 2 yet but hoping it'll be a barn burner!
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 09-05-2024
Well!!
aaaaaaand I need a time-out for jumping the gun again.
(facepalms!!!)
A few things Montalk said, eventually the next day bugged me enough to go deep diving on who he is, where he got his material. Nothing nefarious, just he looks really young to have read enough major league scholarly books.
Thomas Cox aka Thomas Minderle aka Montalk got started in the Cassiopaean & Ra material.
ICKKKKKKK!!! Just EW!!!!
He an Laura Knight-Jadczyk had a falling out early 2000's but he's not a quitter. He's perfected his brand of Conspirituality.
To be fair 'some" of his material is valid.
The rest just a repackaging of the wild nonsense that damages folks seeking information.
His tying everything to Matrix BS & constantly using computer analogy's is almost 30ys out of date in the paranormal community.
However grownups are fully capable of making up their own minds.
No one needs me smack-talking.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Montalk
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - KKLoco - 09-05-2024
(07-14-2024, 06:48 PM)jaded Wrote: Back to bringing the material.
This stuff isn't easy or fluffy however it IS another piece of the puzzle. Etymology or the study of words origins can clear up issues. It's not flashy, it's not easy but understanding everything about anything being said is important.
Pierre Sabak decided to do just that chasing back thru many languages and symbols used by many cultures to figure out exactly who's pulling humanities chain. His results give a very credible explaination of who the aliens are, or who we're at least calling the NHI, Reptilians, the illuminati, angels & more.
His thoughts on humans perceiving beings of light when we're being communicating with telepathically or by transference as a side affect of the communication dovetails with things Fitzgerald and Diana Pulsaka discovered. That bit is at the very begining of the interview.
This interview is based on a over 500pg book he wrote. He's not just some Johnny-come-lately spouting his take on aliens. Altho I don't think he's very well known.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-EaoR-5MEI]
Holy shit! That video BLEW my mind! So much so, that I’m speechless. I’m buying that dudes books.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 09-06-2024
Glad you watched it!
Etymology is a avenue when researching high strangeness we forget to apply. Because I'm unfamiliar with ancient writings it's easier to grasp them if I get clued into the origin of the words the writer of the time used.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - Karl12 - 09-07-2024
(02-24-2024, 12:06 PM)jaded Wrote: In the UAP/UFO NHI arena there's been a deficit of using philosophical constructs to assist in defiining a bigger picture.
Am going through an 'intelligent plasma' phase now mate (lol) and there are some pretty remarkable scientific aspects out there which are truly intriguing.
Regarding constructs and archetypes there's also the historical shamanistic aspect where these sentient light forms were reported to be 'tricksters' which somehow affected the observer's consciousness.
Good introduction here but can post more or eventually start a thread.
From 2:00
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 09-07-2024
An that's what makes me crazy.
Sentient Plasma's were theorized back in the 70's as "possible lifeforms" who inhabited the upper atmosphere whom we knew little about.
Then it got dropped like a hot rock, until now when Orbs got folded into the current ufo/uap narrative. Despite them also historically being associated with many of the folkloric stories. (add crypto-creature associations here for expediency)
The monkey business continues tho. Back in the early 2000's people reported the plasma orbs as having swirling faces in them. Now it's just reported as just a bright light floating or zinging by. No faces, no images inside of them.
Someones "taking the piss" with us thinking we don't notice.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 09-22-2024
Just a note, I haven't abandoned the thread, it's been "slow" here.
One thing NOT trotted out in the T-shooter incident in Butler was...drum roll please!
It happened in the biggest blackest area of western PA's magnetic field. Altho high strangeness is much more prelevant in areas of lighter magnetism oddnesses do still happen in what I refer to lovingly as "satan's asshole".
Since T turned his head at last moment my first thought was "intervention!!" It does happen here. Like anyone else's guess, mine's a crap-shoot. However I'm local, live in this black hole and have had enough random interventions to suspect T did as well. It's not impossible.
Not saying in any way T's more special or not than anyone else. Just pointing out it happens here so tossing it out for thought. The NHI has it's own agenda & for all I know "if" it intervened for T no telling what grins & giggles it was up too.
Just another inscrutable data point.
BTW there's a filter you can add to Google Earth to see the EU's magnetic imaging of the earth. The link is in Project Doorways first paper. It's free.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - UltraBudgie - 09-23-2024
well what is life or alive is it just something we cant grasp or always looks more complex even after we rational it like something that alive is a bottomless well of new ideas for us when we observe, keeps being interesting, which is why maybe sometimes people personify the control system call it the beast or machine or make it like its alive because it keeps being fascinating. entertaing. so yes maybe plasmas alive in that sense makes sense because for example a campfire is plasma too and it dances and is fasinating and kind of alive and will crackle at you if you listen properly and oh guess what else is a plasmoid ball the sun - a really big one! and look at the corona in infared wow it dances and swirls and is certainly alive. and when somethings like that people perceive faces and motion and the brain maps complexity to known perceptual paradigms its call paraidiotola. but none of it is 'real' in the sense that you can say 'oh this for sure' and make advice of looking at evidence that allows other people to go 'yep, that for sure' in a consistent way, but that just mean its not 'scientifically real' which is maybe different that real in the sense that its a phenomena that keeps happening, like with ufos what is almost more interesting than the ufos themselves is the phenomena of the phenomena by that i mean that theres always something there that isn't there in a provable way when you look closer or try and get other people to see or look for observable consistency in a useable way but then if you just give up and say 'huh well guess its just imaginating' it comes back in another direction and says 'haha nope still here' but in an anooying just as elusive way which make it seem like the elusiveness is maybe like a core part of the phenomena, it only exists in the gaps of possibility. which is why atempts to explain away ufs as big superintelligen conspiracy are sophmoric because in that model the superinteligence of the conspiracy has no upper bound every time you try and define it it has to get more complex. so it seems like looking in a mirror projected solipscism or something transtemporal like terry mckinnas explosion at the end of time, that can inject itself into the 'past' but not in a way that invalidates its predicates, and theres an interesting parallel there with the ufo phenomena injecting individual experience and the mandela phenomena injecting mass expereince, theres something very similar to the way both of those operate like a blob of mercury that just squirts outa the way of your finger when you try and press down on it pressing down in that metaphone being like nailing down in a scientifiy sense! what was i saying oh yeah plasma can be intelligent, for sure lol.
RE: Non-Human Intelligence (The Melting Pot) - jaded - 10-13-2024
https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_New_Science_of_Heaven/k7YqDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
Robert Temple has written a book with some supporting evidence that plasma indeed can develop not only life but intelligence. It opens the door to some exciting possibilities in how we understand NHI.
(taken from google books description)
-- Plasma is the fourth state of matter and the other three - gas, liquid and solids - emerge out of plasma. This book will reveal how over 99% of the universe is made of plasma and how there are two gigantic clouds of plasma, called the Kordylewski Clouds, hovering between the Earth and the Moon, only recently discovered by astronomers in Hungary. Other revelations not previously known outside narrow academic disciplines include the evidence that in certain circumstances plasma exhibits features that suggest they may be in some sense alive: clouds of plasma have evolved double helixes, banks of cells and crystals, filaments and junctions which could control the flow of electric currents, thus generating an intelligence similar to machine intelligence. We may, in fact, have been looking for signs of extra-terrestrial life in the wrong place.--
including amazon link just because: https://www.amazon.com/New-Science-Heaven-spiritual-experience/dp/1473623758/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Q8IXOET7EPSJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CzkFVrIsUOH_xJ_pvREyfC8tEAQNqCooAK7kYHbXxco-bh96OjKjPXR7r7NwA9Gzv3sWJpEHA_Ll9sDGo395KvfMspHVwq9J67lyLYHcqlEGS8l8o-bgVCRKhUCdGZBgZLGNNp-rJBqO2_XVikY3rg.ZSd8FgzXL2JlsG91haVz-5ZgTr7K9pUBPpgc3ldtfGE&dib_tag=se&keywords=robert+temple+a+new+science+of+heaven&qid=1728831357&sprefix=Robert+Temple+A+new+science+%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1
