(04-23-2024, 10:32 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Hard to tell, im not sure this is completely organic, somebody internationally is funding this, along with who knows who contributes to the university

(04-24-2024, 02:02 AM)TheRedneck Wrote: First of all, let me say these are not protests. These are criminal actions intentionally executed to deny rights to others. That's the dividing line for me: when a "protest" begins to deny rights to others, it is no longer a protest. That includes denial of access, physical attacks, destruction of property, etc.

But this is even more troubling in a way to me, understanding what the goals of the various players are.
 

There's the rub: when something works too perfectly, when all the various actions all seem to collate to a single point despite being otherwise seemingly unrelated, that's when my spidey sense goes off. And right now it's ringing like a thousand church bells on Easter Sunday morning. Something quite sinister is afoot.

I know no one wants to hear this anymore, but I keep coming back to it considering issue after issue. I know my timing sucks, but the truth is, I have no timeline... never did. Watch Romania; stay out of Minnesota. The fire comes closer.

TheRedneck

(04-22-2024, 01:37 AM)putnam6 Wrote: "I will say that this whole Hamas thing is out of hand. Not just at the Universities but everywhere"

Yes, thus the thread....

I saw mentioned elsewhere, imagine this occurring in NYC circa 9/11/01, instead it continues unabated. 22 years later, here we are... and yes I mentioned who's funding this crap. Saw a video of an actual class where people were being told what to chant in Arabic. 

(04-24-2024, 12:42 PM)Maxmars Wrote: If we said to the collective of the protesters, "Take me to your leader." to whom would we be taken?

(04-24-2024, 02:02 AM)TheRedneck Wrote: First of all, let me say these are not protests. These are criminal actions intentionally executed to deny rights to others. That's the dividing line for me: when a "protest" begins to deny rights to others, it is no longer a protest. That includes denial of access, physical attacks, destruction of property, etc.

But this is even more troubling in a way to me, understanding what the goals of the various players are.

TheRedneck

(04-24-2024, 11:57 AM)Byrd Wrote: Second -- no offense meant here but you apparently weren't around in the 1960's.  These protests are pretty mild compared to the ones against the Vietnam War. 

Quote:As a Columbia alum (College ’69), participant in that university’s 1968 student rebellion, advocate for academic freedom and free expression rights, and as a Jew, I have followed developments at Columbia over the past few days with great interest.  On Wednesday came the appearance by the co-chairs of the university’s Board of Trustees alongside Columbia’s president at the House Education and Labor Committee’s latest sham “hearing” on allegations of antisemitism on campus, a “set up from the get-go” where, as AAUP President Irene Mulvey puts it in her excellent statement issued today, both academic freedom and the faculty were thrown “under the bus.”  Then yesterday, in a chilling echo of 1968, Columbia called in the NYPD to arrest more than a hundred protesting students at a “Gaza Solidarity Encampment.”

(04-24-2024, 11:57 AM)Byrd Wrote: Firstly, the video should be confirmed... too many people take for granted any video posted with an explanation but don't actually check to see if the video really IS from that location or time.

Second -- no offense meant here but you apparently weren't around in the 1960's.  These protests are pretty mild compared to the ones against the Vietnam War.  College students have ALWAYS tended to protest wars (yes, even WWII and WWI), so when your favorite news sources start yowling about out of control universities, take a deep breath and go read about the sixties.

Third, there's no "good guys" in this conflict, except perhaps the poor children that are dying from military action and from starvation and disease.  That's something that should outrage all of us.

Quote:https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/ut-austin-students-to-protest-in-support-of-gaza-with-class-walk-out-and-campus-sit-in/

The university sent a letter to the organizers Tuesday night telling them to cancel the event.

Quote:The University of Texas at Austin must first and foremost act to protect our educational mission, allowing the activities and operations that support our mission to proceed. At the same time, we are steadfast in our support of free speech. Our policies and rules help define the lines between these objectives and shape our response to planned protests.
The Palestine Solidarity Committee student organization’s event “Popular University for Gaza,” which is planned for tomorrow, has declared intent to violate our policies and rules, and disrupt our campus operations. Such disruptions are never allowed and are especially damaging while our students prepare for the end of the semester and final exams. For these reasons, this event may not proceed as planned.
Simply put the University of Texas at Austin will not allow this campus to be “taken” and protesters to derail our mission in ways that groups affiliated with your national organizations have accomplished elsewhere.
Please be advised that you are not permitted to hold your event on the University campus. Any attempt to do so will subject your organization and its attending members to discipline including suspension under the Institutional Rules. Individuals not affiliated with the University and attempting to attend this event will be directed to leave campus. Refusal to comply may result in arrest.
OFFICE OF THE DEAN OF STUDENTS

(04-24-2024, 11:57 AM)Byrd Wrote: Firstly, the video should be confirmed... too many people take for granted any video posted with an explanation but don't actually check to see if the video really IS from that location or time.

Second -- no offense meant here but you apparently weren't around in the 1960's.  These protests are pretty mild compared to the ones against the Vietnam War.  College students have ALWAYS tended to protest wars (yes, even WWII and WWI), so when your favorite news sources start yowling about out of control universities, take a deep breath and go read about the sixties.

Third, there's no "good guys" in this conflict, except perhaps the poor children that are dying from military action and from starvation and disease.  That's something that should outrage all of us.

Quote:Major terror organizations have expressed support for these protests and disruptive actions, which have long been a key part of Hamas’s plan to win hearts and minds in the West. As early as a decade ago, during the July-August 2014 Israel-Gaza war, Hamas’s Interior Ministry issued guidelines to social-media activists on framing events for a Western audience.
It is no coincidence that official statements by Hamas and major jihadist groups about the protests are nearly identical. The statements seem like talking points for pressuring U.S. and Western decision makers. They appear to be working. On April 4 President Biden, under massive pressure for supporting Israel, warned Israel of major changes to U.S. policy if it didn’t ease its military campaign in Gaza. Hamas seized on the U.S.-Israel dispute with a statement calling on “all free people of the world” to protest.
A blatant example of jihadist talking points came from Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on March 13, when he lauded the political activity of American Muslims in Michigan as “very influential.” He said of the “many people demonstrating in America” that “we should salute them” and called the “uncommitted” primary campaign against Mr. Biden, which originated in Dearborn, Mich., “the most important means of pressure on the Biden administration.” Mr. Nasrallah had already cited the effect of protests “in Washington, New York, London, Paris and Western Europe” in a Nov. 11 speech, lauding their power to “apply pressure on their governments.”
Every senior Hamas leader has also acknowledged the importance of the protests and said that influencing U.S. and Western policy is part of the organization’s strategy for destroying Israel. 

(04-24-2024, 11:45 AM)putnam6 Wrote: You speak as if the future is already decided, I don't believe that yet..

(04-24-2024, 11:57 AM)Byrd Wrote: Firstly, the video should be confirmed... too many people take for granted any video posted with an explanation but don't actually check to see if the video really IS from that location or time.

Second -- no offense meant here but you apparently weren't around in the 1960's.  These protests are pretty mild compared to the ones against the Vietnam War.  College students have ALWAYS tended to protest wars (yes, even WWII and WWI), so when your favorite news sources start yowling about out of control universities, take a deep breath and go read about the sixties.

Third, there's no "good guys" in this conflict, except perhaps the poor children that are dying from military action and from starvation and disease.  That's something that should outrage all of us.

Quote:On October 5, 2023,
@ColumbiaStudents for Justice in Palestine announced they’d been reinstated. Is it related to the global actions launched on October 7? Is it a coincidence? Discuss.

Quote: 

Quote:Five days later (October 10) the group encouraged people to join a protest, but instructed them to only use signs that would be provided at the event — by an unnamed source. Who is funding @Columbia SJP?