(07-19-2024, 09:25 PM)jaded Wrote: The NHI thread thru all this has admittedly required a LOT of peripheral learning. Lots that most people won't wade thru. 

It's easier to stay in one's comfort zone of assumptions/beliefs than to dig into the notion we've been lied to about just so very much. Which when thats said doesn't mean we really had a choice about it, or that any one particular faction orchrestrated it. 

Point being if you want to know everything this is going to be like making sausages. 
My brain has exploded more than several times over new relevant info an I WAS LOOKING FOR INFORMATION! Not just randomly kinda wishing the phantom-nu-agey BS was truth. Or even just OK with whatever goofy ideas have been accepted as truth.

Today was another mind bender.
Remote Viewer Leonard (Lyn) Buchanan was abducted prior to his military service an in the interview dropped the reason he found via RV ET's put tiny devices in humans. NOPE they're not tracking us. He said what's put into us a a couple of cells from a disease the ET's are tring to cure cause humans are walking antibody factories. If humans would quit wiggling around the tip of the insertion device wouldn't break off...

There's more, but having a credible person speak about being asked by a ET "did you check for cell material?" is where I now need a tea-break. 
Not because it's beyond crayzee but because "Nope, we never did look for that" just makes us humans look dumb. OK...paranoid and dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjkbDbcANAs

(07-20-2024, 03:34 AM)midicon Wrote: ​​​​​​I was put off by Puthoff
And a feller named Geller
And old Ingo Swann
That old fortune teller

I thought about Roswell
A true Mogul crash
And Betty and Barney's
UFO bash

I heard of a lighthouse
With a winking red eye
That somehow became
A ship from the sky

Then along came a tic tac
A new UAP
To satisfy those
Who want to believe

It's all there in the project
From Greer down to Grusch
If you want your brain wrecked
And turned into mush

(07-20-2024, 06:28 AM)jaded Wrote: You know? I get it. 
The ludicrous chaff mixed in with what were actual events, mixed in with different "alleged experts" personal agenda's & lack of ALL the info plus ego's has kept all of us from working together trying to stay on the same page. 

Chaos theory is always the last tactic by ignorant people to hold back progress.
Altho it's working great for the NHI!

It's also too easy to write off all of this as make-believe. Thankfully because science is catching up cause not all of us want to live in fantasy-land. Most of who you've mentioned with the exception of Betty & Barney Hill are complete tools. 
Hucksters with agenda's.
Does it really matter THAT much if the Hill's incident was actual ET's or a manifestation of the NHI? Either way they were severely traumatized an did their best to clue the rest of us in. 

I've tried to link to information that is valid bfore it get's disappared or anyone notices us little people found it & are correlating the factual parts. This stuff is scattered in smatterings all over god's green acre, so to speak. 

You don't have to "believe" anything in CSI-ing the NHI thread. The facts are there to be found. Resisting premature conclusions is the "real magic" Asimov & Sagan alluded to. Not that unknown technology is magical to us dummies. 
 

(07-20-2024, 06:48 AM)midicon Wrote: Thanks for the reply! I'll maybe revisit Bettty and Barney.

I'm really just an old Jungian at heart.

One thing I have noticed is that 'abductees' never have anything useful to say.

(07-21-2024, 11:19 AM)jaded Wrote: Considering Abductee's only/usually have screen memories of experiences to parrot are you surprised? Generally those taken had no preparation or even a inkling that any of what just happened to them was even realistically possible. Not everyone has the inner wherewithal to rise to that type of incident.

Another factor is incidents are intentional guerrilla type affairs meant to disorient the target. Practice in response's necessary is virtually impossible for those even willing to attempt to learn them due to their inconsistency. We forget these practical things when making sweeping generalizations. I'm just as guilty of this as anyone.

It also doesn't help that these incidents intentionally are manifested in wildly different forms so there is virtually no way to make rhyme to reason out of them, at least in the moment. Over time humans being human we unintentionally try to fit these experiences into something rational or meaningful forgetting that what we saw, heard probably wasn't what was actually there going on. Total minefield! 

Since you mentioned Jung, let me say, even learning archetypes thru history and other culture's pantheons/symbols you are still going to be caught off guard & flat-footed. While science is busy working on the definitions/math of the energy fields produced during a occurrence none of that helps you in the moment. Just the discordance of the energy rocks most peoples composure. Critical thinking during a biological fight or flight adrenaline dump compounds things. 

Your comment was great cause it forces me to dissect the individual components of the unexpected unasked for intrusion of a ET/NHI incident. The last important part is most people haven't done the internal psychological work necessary to know themselves, warts & all. You can't even accurately ascertain "Other" from "You" without having done the work. Without having plumbed your own subconscious first, you've handed over the tools to the NHI to play havoc with it's imagery in a incident. 

Again. It's easy to be judgey and dismiss others experiences but in reality most people  were just sitting ducks run over by a freight train. They never had a chance.

(07-22-2024, 06:43 PM)jaded Wrote: OK last post isn't what you were looking for. Been racking my brain for a UFO incident that would either change your mind, or at least be substantive enough to make you go Hmmm?

Back in the day my typical response to "touted" sightings, what everyone considers the biggies such as Rendlesham, Roswell, Travis Walton,The Ariel School was FFS! Are you telling me nothings been happening in THIS decade? (not dissing Walton in any way shape or form) 

Either the ET's had packed up shop here in the 70's, or people were gatekeeping recent sightings. whichever, it disillusioned me to everyone an everything in ufology. Considering learning anything from ufology circles was a total washout, safe to say the 90's & 2000's contained little hope anyone had current hard information.

This "may" nudge you into the Hmmm?
Gets good @ Min 30.
Aside from all Buchanan's credentials he had a abduction in between his first stint in the military & second enlistment. SRI (Stanford research institute) used scientific methodology as opposed to the Monroe Institute. While these particular RV sessions weren't Officially tasked they were used as a metric as to the RV-ers accuracy. 

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjkbDbcANAs&t=20s]

(07-23-2024, 02:00 AM)midicon Wrote: Thanks for the video and comment. That's my first look at Buchanan and find it hard to believe anyone would believe him about anything. I was struggling half way through and didn't quite make the end.

Remote viewing is nothing but wishy washy woo, that is the truth of, it but people in their rush to believe will swallow anything. I don't believe Walton either.

Anyway I'll leave it there and wish you well.