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RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - 727Sky - 08-02-2024
Quote:In this thought-provoking video, Richard Dolan explores the reasons why UFO/UAP disclosure is unlikely to happen in 2024. He delves into the web of national security concerns, ongoing investigations, classified programs, and political instability that hinder transparency efforts. Dolan also examines strategies used to delay disclosure, including over-classification, bureaucratic roadblocks, media influence, and selective information release. Despite the obstacles, he emphasizes the importance of pursuing genuine disclosure to understand the sophisticated non-human intelligence seemingly interacting with our world.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Karl12 - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 05:17 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: That first video is pretty interesting. Though after examining it more carefully, I see it is a video sequence of about 3 minutes total sped up to 2x speed (roughly). I also notice some relief between the object and the mountain. By relief I mean 'distance". I slowed the video down to approximately real time, and it appears as though it could possibly be explained by a firefly in the foreground.
Appreciate the input mate and yes always thought that vid was an intriguing one - it was (apparently) taken by the volcano webcam and there's some relevant commentary below about shadows on the terrain.
Probably best to start a separate thread but have heard lots of different opinions on it over the years (including helicopters).
Quote:Analysis of the strange event that took place on March 12, 2018 when the volcano webcam recorded a luminous object approaching the Colima volcano, then the object changes its course and descends to just above the hillside of the volcano.
According to commenter Flux Apex Engineering:
I am in no way saying this is a UAP or such, however, the object in the video is too large to be a drone or helicopter. I am merely chiming in to provide some technical insight.
When it stops, you can see its shadow on the hillside. Comparing the shadows elevation to the topographical map. The mountain is about 3.5 to 3.8km wide at that elevation. It starts accelerating away at 19:31:24.724, leaves the frame at 19:31:30.780 covering about 4km distance. So, some simple math using the known variables, 4km and 6.056 seconds. It had an average velocity of 2377.807Km/h, and 11g acceleration.
Over the years there has been a lot of unexplained activity around this volcano, so there must be something about the Colima Volcano that draws UFOs to it.
Link / Video 1 / 2
(08-02-2024, 05:17 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: It won't be long before AI starts outputting AI generated photos and videos which are impossible to differentiate from real life events.
Yes you're not wrong there - literally everything will be suspected counterfeit and suppose we are rapidly approaching a time where provenance will become impossible and then extinct.
As if the UFO field didn't have enough problems lol.
Any thoughts on that original radar visual pilot case?
It's insane how much material has now been deleted on that incident but radar controller Julio Cesar Diaz did seem pretty impressed.
Quote:• "The "echo" then made a left turn of 270 degrees, within three to four miles at a speed of 450 to 500 nautical miles per hour. It was unbelievable!"
Radar controller Julio Cesar Diaz.
Also two separate British reports on the pilot statement thread which sound extremely similar.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Karl12 - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 06:41 AM)727Sky Wrote: Dolan also examines strategies used to delay disclosure, including over-classification, bureaucratic roadblocks, media influence, and selective information release.
Yes saw that one mate and have personally thought for quite a while now that this is all one big dog and pony show (suppose lots of other folks do as well).
Could be wrong but ever since the advent of the CIA TTSA Mockingbird circus and the 'infamous' New York Times article we've all been subjected to one big contrived theatrical shit show - not a very convincing one either.
Did you ever catch this presentation - thought it did a mighty fine job of showing how intelligence agencies have attempted to hoodwink the public over the years (that's not even taking into account Robertson or Condon lol).
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - FlyingClayDisk - 08-02-2024
I've always been a bit skeptical about early UAP/UFO sightings for a variety of reasons. Early ATC radar was pretty much two dimensional in representation. The data itself was three dimensional, but the representation was 2-D. So, if a fighter jet transitioned from horizontal flight to vertical flight, it would appear on radar like the aircraft slowed down to a stop and, unless they were watching the altitude, the object would appear to be stationary when in fact it was traveling vertically.
Similar anomalies can come from eyewitness reports which are notoriously inaccurate for objects moving in the 3-D environment. If an object is moving directly toward or away from an observer, it can appear as if it is stationary. If the same object suddenly turns and ascends or descends at the same time, it can appear like the object abruptly and rapidly accelerated and radically changed direction when nothing could be further from reality (which was just a gentle turn coupled with an ascent or descent).
Recently someone posted a reply (here or on ATS, can't remember) about a perceived missile launch in Washington state. It looked pretty convincing to me, but several investigators debunked it as a lifeflight helicopter on approach to an airport. I had to go to numerous sources and review tons of video to finally come to the same conclusion, but the initial video looked like a launch to me. Just goes to show you that even pilots and aviation professionals can be fooled by things like this when not armed with all the data. I know I was.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Lysergic - 08-02-2024
(08-01-2024, 01:32 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Yes mighty fine point - have you ever read this book mate?
No, but thanks for the link checking out the website.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Karl12 - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 02:41 PM)Lysergic Wrote: No, but thanks for the link checking out the website.
Mate would say it's one of the most important books I've read when trying to understand this insane 'paranormal soup' which modern day folks understand as 'quatum woo science'.
Would also recommend anything written by Joshua Cutchin who to my mind is a bit of a genius.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Karl12 - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 01:46 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: I've always been a bit skeptical about early UAP/UFO sightings for a variety of reasons.
Fair comment there mate and I do respect your position (please list those reasons) - suppose the invention of radar helped us to win WW2 so that evidence aspect shouldn't be overlooked too much (especially when sometimes multiple operators correlate the exact time/space position of pilot eye witness testimony) but I do see your point and am sure false positives and a whole host of other factors do happen (ever looked into Project Palladium PDF)?
Always good to wear those genuine scepticals lol.
Don't know if you've ever checked out some of the truly curious cases (of which there are a lot) but did find this one rather compelling (also this 'forgotten' piece of research).
Doesn't really matter because according to USAF Radar Controller Michael Smith...
Quote:• "When you see a UFO on the radar screen I was told you notify NORAD, do not write anything down and keep it to yourself on a strictly need to know basis."
USAF Radar Controller Michael Smith.
Radar
Don't reckon this guy is lying and he sounds scared shitless to me lol.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - Maxmars - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 05:17 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: ...
I guess we should enjoy all these photos and grainy videos while we can. It won't be long before AI starts outputting AI generated photos and videos which are impossible to differentiate from real life events.
Too late... they already can... well enough.
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - 727Sky - 08-02-2024
RE: Early UFO Disc Reports. - FlyingClayDisk - 08-02-2024
(08-02-2024, 05:39 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Fair comment there mate and I do respect your position (please list those reasons) - ...
Sure, but first, allow me to say I truly believe in extra-terrestrial life. I honestly do. I just don't believe many of the observations made by people concerning the same. And, I think a lot of it is what I would call "confirmation bias". In other words, people trying to prove what they believe a UFO would really look like
As you likely know, I work in aviation and electronic systems. Over my long career I've seen many things which I cannot explain, but most of them don't have some sort of a shape or predictable action. Many of these things are just what I would call very "weird" phenomenon. Things which don't make sense to this pilot and physicist (by education). I have long studied the reported "UFO" phenomenon in hopes it would explain some of the things I've seen, but it never has.
Direct to your question, I have studied "radar" technology from my first learning of it from my father's experiences at the end of WW2. He flew in B-17's with the USAAF. Radar technology in those days was in its infancy, and I was fascinated with it from day one. Many of the early UFO reports which cite radar tracking reports are notoriously inaccurate, primarily because the radar technology, even up into the mid 50's, was fairly primitive (in the Stone Age, compared to today). Much of the early technology was based on the concept of radio direction finding which is an exercise in geometry and mathematical triangulation. The same principles work today, but the technology is far more advanced.
In the same breath, I have also worked with the NTSB on crash investigations. I know from this that upwards of 90+ percent of eyewitness reports are totally erroneous. These reports are often helpful for other reasons, but things like direction, altitude, speed and orientation are often completely wrong. Some of the useful reasons are things like observed fire, falling debris and sounds. To me, this discounts many of the early reports in the 50's and 60's. I am especially adverse to the classic "flying saucer" reports. This is not how E.T. will visit us (for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is mass, drag and propulsion...not to mention aerodynamics).
I could make a list a mile long, and bore you to tears with it, but the bottom line for me is...I believe E.T.'s exist, and I even further believe they have visited Earth. But, as I have stated many, many, times...I think we are looking in all the wrong places for E.T. Candidly, E.T. could, and likely IS, living among us every day, we just don't realize it. It could be microscopic...it could be macroscopic...it could be imperceptible to the human senses. E.T. could exist as a state of energy without physical form, it could live in a hostile environment which doesn't support human life (like the oceans); the possibilities are endless.
When people see a "flying saucer", or a humanoid looking figure (with a head, 2 arms and 2 legs), we can rule these things out almost automatically. This isn't how E.T. will look, IF we can even "see" him/it. Humans are selfish. We think everything will be like us. The chances of E.T. being anything at all like us are next to zero. Just the distances involved are so great as to preclude E.T. from being a human-like form. In fact, it is our human physiologic form which 'prevents' us from ever being able to explore the stars beyond.
When we see grainy,, out of focus, pictures of some apparent craft, we must think to ourselves...okay, how did this craft with mass and obvious propulsion travel from light years away to Earth? This quickly rules out most of these grainy and out of focus pictures. That's not how E.T. will arrive here (if he/she/it chooses to do so). They will be far more sophisticated than to have craft like this. Why? Because such craft defy the laws of physics, frankly. That is...unless these beings are timeless and can exist for tens of thousands of years and never have a need to "phone home" regarding their travels.
Some of the things I've seen are strange radio, radar and RF anomalies which don't 'compute'. Some examples are things which should work perfectly fine, and then suddenly stop for no explainable reason, only to resume again a few seconds or minutes later. Weird things like where light appears to interfere with RF signals in some unexplainable way. I've seen examples of where radio signals (radar in particular) create what appears to be visual light (on a repeatable basis) with absolutely no explanation in physics (this, BTW, is one of my weirder discoveries). There are clearly things afoot which we do not yet understand. There are so many of these things that there are countless opportunities for things like real E.T.'s to be sitting there chuckling at us silly humans. I could write a book on this subject (probably several in fact), but with people's 15 second attention spans anymore, I doubt they would be of much interest. Even my radar example noted above would take several pages of text just to set up the environment, all the angles, reflections, air densities and other physical characteristics that most people's eyes would glaze over and roll back in their head's before I even got to the point.
Anyway, hopefully this responds to your question(s).
Best!
FCD
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