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RE: Trump shot? - l0st - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 12:05 PM)ArMaP Wrote: The online version of Google Maps says November 2023.
You might try keyhole aka google earth. Not necessarily the same source data.
(07-17-2024, 12:22 PM)KKLoco Wrote: How come it’s 4 days later and all we know about his parents is that his father was registered libertarian, mom registered democrat, and they are both counselors?
it’s being reported that his parents called the police before the rally, saying they couldn’t locate their son. Who calls the police on Saturday afternoon, when you can’t find your 20 year old son? I find that incredibly odd, along with the fact that we still don’t even have a pic of them.
Supposedly the gun was purchased by the father months ago. I suspect they noticed the gun was gone, but didn't want to turn their son into police, so they called in missing persons.
(07-17-2024, 01:33 PM)KKLoco Wrote: He lived at home. I’d like to know who raised and groomed a presidential assassin. Additionally, us ‘armchair investigators’ seem to be doing a better job than the officials in charge of it. The idiot Cheatle tried to tell us a counter sniper wasn’t on the roof because the pitch was too steep. When we know for a fact that the roof that the counter snipers WERE on, had a much steeper pitch. Bitch needs to resign yesterday.
The MSM is reporting that his parents called the cops Saturday before the rally.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-shooters-parents-called-police-hours-before-assassination-attempt
Both his parents are supposedly social workers and the MSM is still questioning their political leanings? Give me a break... Conservatives aren't going to school to study sociology. It's pretty much exclusively a leftist field.
(07-17-2024, 02:46 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: It is a long range wireless switchable controller. Has a 5000 meter range. Transmits in the 433MHz area of the UHF spectrum which is an unlicensed area of the RF spectrum, and is Frequency Shift Key (FSK) (encoding) capable device. FSK is a basic encryption protocol.
Here is the device posted.
I'll disagree with you here. FSK is not encryption. If I remember correctly, it's correction for Doppler effect over distance, but don't quote me on that it's been a long time.
(07-17-2024, 04:12 PM)KKLoco Wrote: THAT device alone — tells me he had help.
I’ve never seen a remote with a 10, 11, and 12 button before.
You’re quite wrong when you incorporate the fact that the CLOSEST and MOST IDEAL vantage point for a sniper to take out Trump - was left vacant.
He did not plan this on his own. I don’t believe he even brought the ladder or the gun. Somehow this gun shows up out of thin air, as they are now reporting that they were watching him for 30 minutes BEFORE the shooting.
What in the hell?!?
This guy seems like he knew Thomas far better than the other kid. This totally refutes what the other classmate said.
Not only was Thomas NOT a loner, but he had a circle if degenerate friends, AND he wasn’t bullied as bad as the other kid said.
I think my head is going to fucking EXPLODE with all the disinformation being spread about this. Ironically, when I watched it live Saturday, I said to myself ‘No way can they spin narratives on this, since I watched it live.’ BOY WAS I WRONG!!!
433Mhz devices are readily available on Alibaba. I own several for weather forecasting.
(07-17-2024, 05:12 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: Like I noted above; it's a programmable wireless device. The (12) discrete 'number' buttons equate to different 'channels' in the band. The numbers 1-9, are just numerical entry numbers. FSK protocol is just a simplistic way to prevent channel cross-talk on nearby channels on the same frequency, and thus corrupted instruction sets.
It's not a particularly complicated device, but you do have to know what you're doing to use one. Candidly, I doubt the shooter had anything better than a rudimentary understanding of how to configure such a device, and probably relied on an E-Z Start guide to get something crude operational.
And so we disagree (categorically).
I'll just leave it at that. I don't wish to debate the point any further with you.
(Candidly, I'm growing fatigued at all your endless questions asking for proof which you can easily find with a modicum of research on your part).
It looks like an X10 remote to me. Anyone alive before 2000 might have had one of these for home automation.
(07-17-2024, 06:59 PM)KKLoco Wrote: To L0st:
I don’t know how to reply without quoting entire text here.
My best friend is an ex ER Physician. He now runs 3 methadone clinics on the East side of Portland. He’s a multimillionaire and lives right in the thick of it on 22nd and NE Broadway. Smartest dude I know with an IQ of over 160.
He bought a property in isolated Washington for his escape plan. He seems to thing the wheels will stay on this destructive economic machine for maybe another 5 years.
I'm not calling you out just comment that it's surprising.
Personally, economically, I don't think it's coming back. I'm one of those people who lost my business due to the COVID-19 shutdowns. When things opened back up, more than half the vendors at the physical venue I sold at had gone bankrupt. I didn't, but my business was permanently damaged, and I shut down in 2022.
(07-17-2024, 07:16 PM)KKLoco Wrote: If you look closely, the ladder was roughly a foot short. Random perfection……
Sure, and a layman isn't going to look at this steel warehouse and say "oh, that's 12'". He either knew or he was told. Even as someone very vaguely experienced with ladders, and heights, I couldn't tell you from Google maps how tall that structure is without seeing it in person.
So, my conclusion is that he's either been there before or someone told him what size ladder he would need to reach the roof.
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)KKLoco Wrote: A Hyundai Sonata to be precise. No way in hell that fits a 12 foot step (non-collapsible) ladder.
A friend of mine owns a 2014 and I used it to cart home a water heater. A "12 foot" ladder isn't much larger because a folded 12' is 6' and it's actually less than that... Go to your garage and pull out a tape measure.
RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-17-2024
“A friend of mine owns a 2014 and I used it to cart home a water heater. A "12 foot" ladder isn't much larger because a folded 12' is 6' and it's actually less than that... Go to your garage and pull out a tape measure.”
Your clearly didn’t watch the original footage. You have much research to do young Pada Wan.
RE: Trump shot? - l0st - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 08:17 PM)KKLoco Wrote: “A friend of mine owns a 2014 and I used it to cart home a water heater. A "12 foot" ladder isn't much larger because a folded 12' is 6' and it's actually less than that... Go to your garage and pull out a tape measure.”
Your clearly didn’t watch the original footage. You have much research to do young Pada Wan.
That's an interesting take. I've watched everything I came across, so far.
If I've missed a video, I'd like to see it.
From what I've seen, a "supposedly" 12' ladder was placed on the connecting building in the corner, so as to be discreet. Video seems to confirm this. I see a ladder. Like I said, can't really tell you how big it was without being there on the ground.
I have yet to see a video of the "van" or "Hyundai" or "sedan" or whatever it was and at the same time I have other reports that he walked to the venue and was actually called in as a suspicious person by a squad car some 30 minutes in advance.
Anyways, I own a "22 foot" foldable extension ladder made by Werner I bought some years ago. Fully extended it measures 18'. I inquired about this at time of purchase and it seems that, at least in the US, there is a measuring standard similar to whats used for TVs in that the total length assumes someone standing on it just as US TVs are assumed measured diagonally.
(07-14-2024, 12:49 PM)ArMaP Wrote: US history is not my forte, what did happen?
I know someone answered this, but I think they misunderstood the question and figured I'd get back to this because I think it's relevant.
The US was already in a civil war by the time Lincoln was shot but things really ramped up after that. Ultimately culminating in Southern states moving to full secession. This ended with the South defeated and the end of Slavery in the US. Despite what Wikipedia will tell you, Lincoln was basically a modern day republican and the secessionists were Democrats. The Democrat party continued to back African slavery full up into the early 1900s. I think the only reason they really stopped was the great depression ergo lack of demand followed by racial tensionsvin the late 50s through early 70s.
The point is, the assassination promoted the real kickoff of the civil war.
RE: Trump shot? - TheRedneck - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 02:49 PM)Lysergic Wrote: Would a random 20-year-old does arrive at the location hours in advance to scout the event, find the perfect vantage point on a nearby roof that avoids Trump's security, rig his car with explosives to create a distraction for escape, have no online search history on bomb-making, leave no manifestos or digital footprint related to the shooting, and have an alibi ready for being at a shooting range before the event. Is the level of planning involved is too sophisticated for an autistic, isolated individual?
Depends. Was he a nerd? He looked like it, but looks can be deceiving.
Computer history can be erased. But he did get the components of the explosives somewhere. That could be something to look into. Unfortunately, we don't know what kind of explosives we're talking about. I haven't seen any info on that yet.
TheRedneck
(07-17-2024, 04:36 PM)boredhere74 Wrote: If people cant see this is a complete CYA after a bad op, I dont know what to tell you. More and more misinformation, from transport, to people that knew him, to all the fingerpointing, "oh not our agencys fault", etc. Yes he had help, was he paid, or brainwashed? who knows. NONE of it makes any sense any way you look at it.
Some amount of brainwashing is required even if there's a paycheck involved.
The amount of rhetoric I have heard leveled toward Trump from Biden on down is actually enough to be called brainwashing. I find it ironic that Biden called for a lowering of the rhetoric after the failed attempt, then when pushed about his rhetoric he responded that he had to "speak out for the truth." If that's not "rules for thee, none for me," I don't know what is.
TheRedneck
RE: Trump shot? - DontTreadOnMe - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)KKLoco Wrote: A Hyundai Sonata to be precise. No way in hell that fits a 12 foot step (non-collapsible) ladder.
And so far we've heard he arrived in a Sonata, a conversion van, a truck and on foot.
They cannot all be his method of arriving.
And, IIRC the conversion van was talked about early on and I thought it was an out of state plate.
RE: Trump shot? - TheRedneck - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote: It looks like an X10 remote to me. Anyone alive before 2000 might have had one of these for home automation.
While I'm not familiar with the exact model, it does appear to be a DTMF remote, fairly common for general electronics experimentation. It uses a specified carrier wave modulated by a combination of two different audio tones, one for the row and the other for the column. They come in 3x3, 3x4, 4x3, and 4x4 configurations. If used for activation of a specific circuit, it would be able to access 12 different devices.
It could also use several encryption methods, but that would be overkill for a detonator. No one would be expecting a signal, so no one would be looking to decrypt any signal that came across the airwaves. Sort of overkill to my mind.
Quote:A friend of mine owns a 2014 and I used it to cart home a water heater. A "12 foot" ladder isn't much larger because a folded 12' is 6' and it's actually less than that... Go to your garage and pull out a tape measure.
The ladder pictured was not a foldable ladder. It would have been nominally 12' long. You're thinking of a foldable ladder which can be transported at half its length.
TheRedneck
RE: Trump shot? - l0st - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 11:09 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: While I'm not familiar with the exact model, it does appear to be a DTMF remote, fairly common for general electronics experimentation. It uses a specified carrier wave modulated by a combination of two different audio tones, one for the row and the other for the column. They come in 3x3, 3x4, 4x3, and 4x4 configurations. If used for activation of a specific circuit, it would be able to access 12 different devices.
It could also use several encryption methods, but that would be overkill for a detonator. No one would be expecting a signal, so no one would be looking to decrypt any signal that came across the airwaves. Sort of overkill to my mind.
The ladder pictured was not a foldable ladder. It would have been nominally 12' long. You're thinking of a foldable ladder which can be transported at half its length.
TheRedneck
I dunno. I can't really confirm from the data provided that it wasn't under a 12' ladder. This seems to be pure speculation. Care to provide evidence of your claims?
RE: Trump shot? - Maxmars - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 11:44 PM)more1thanany1 Wrote: Some are saying the big ladder was the SWAT team's ladder, and there was a smaller ladder on the building next door, and he crossed over from one building to another. See Elon Musk's post.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1813595907042210115
For emphasis...
![[Image: GSsv3WeWcAAmLkj?format=jpg&name=small]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSsv3WeWcAAmLkj?format=jpg&name=small)
But I wonder if the humor doesn't indicate this might be 'unattributable'...
RE: Trump shot? - ArMaP - 07-18-2024
(07-17-2024, 09:34 PM)l0st Wrote: The US was already in a civil war by the time Lincoln was shot but things really ramped up after that. Ultimately culminating in Southern states moving to full secession. This ended with the South defeated and the end of Slavery in the US. Despite what Wikipedia will tell you, Lincoln was basically a modern day republican and the secessionists were Democrats. The Democrat party continued to back African slavery full up into the early 1900s. I think the only reason they really stopped was the great depression ergo lack of demand followed by racial tensionsvin the late 50s through early 70s.
The point is, the assassination promoted the real kickoff of the civil war.
Thanks.
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-18-2024
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote: Supposedly the gun was purchased by the father months ago. I suspect they noticed the gun was gone, but didn't want to turn their son into police, so they called in missing persons.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe you will find the firearm was purchased 'years' ago, not months ago. Regarding your suspicion, I would say this is an accurate supposition.
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote: I'll disagree with you here. FSK is not encryption. If I remember correctly, it's correction for Doppler effect over distance, but don't quote me on that it's been a long time.
Yes and no. Yes, it was not originally intended as an encryption method alone, but rather a means of channelized RF communication which just happens to have some simplistic encryption-like characteristics as part of its protocol. And no, it is in fact used for channel separation to prevent various unwanted functionality. Aside from Morse Code radio operation, one the more common applications of FSK which people would be familiar with is garage door openers. FSK prevents one homeowner's garage door opener from opening another homeowner's garage door (i.e. there is a specific channel and/or code which is reasonably discrete to the opener in question). But there are thousands of other uses also, this is just one of the more common applications.
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote:
433Mhz devices are readily available on Alibaba. I own several for weather forecasting.
The 433MHz area of the RF spectrum is used for literally tens of thousands of different types of devices around the globe. Some of the more common uses (beyond the FSK discussion above) are the traffic tolling sector, railway car identification, and inventory control among many, many, others. I work in RF and electronics engineering as it relates to aviation, so I'm pretty familiar with this area of the spectrum and many of the devices operating in it.
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote: It looks like an X10 remote to me. Anyone alive before 2000 might have had one of these for home automation.
There are hundreds of different manufacturers and models of these types of transceivers. In fact, they are so common that they are almost universal. Point being, calling one out by specific model may not be all that meaningful as many of these devices are interchangeable.
(07-17-2024, 07:22 PM)l0st Wrote: Sure, and a layman isn't going to look at this steel warehouse and say "oh, that's 12'". He either knew or he was told. Even as someone very vaguely experienced with ladders, and heights, I couldn't tell you from Google maps how tall that structure is without seeing it in person.
So, my conclusion is that he's either been there before or someone told him what size ladder he would need to reach the roof.
Well, not to be pedantic here (and, admittedly an engineer here), but a common eave height on a single story roof is often 12' or 14' feet. This is one of the reasons ladders are commonly sold in 12' foot heights for exterior, and 6' foot for indoor ladders (to access 8' and 9' foot interior ceilings). Point here being, a 12' foot ladder would be a pretty good bet for a ladder height without the need to scout the area first. This may wind up not being relevant anyway because now there are reports he accessed the roof via an A/C unit (not a ladder).
(07-17-2024, 09:34 PM)l0st Wrote: I know someone answered this, but I think they misunderstood the question and figured I'd get back to this because I think it's relevant.
The US was already in a civil war by the time Lincoln was shot but things really ramped up after that. Ultimately culminating in Southern states moving to full secession. This ended with the South defeated and the end of Slavery in the US. Despite what Wikipedia will tell you, Lincoln was basically a modern day republican and the secessionists were Democrats. The Democrat party continued to back African slavery full up into the early 1900s. I think the only reason they really stopped was the great depression ergo lack of demand followed by racial tensionsvin the late 50s through early 70s.
The point is, the assassination promoted the real kickoff of the civil war.
I think your timelines are off here. Lincoln was instrumental in bringing about the "end" of the Civil War, not so much the start. But regarding Lincoln, it was Lincoln's ascension to the presidency which significantly escalated the Civil War. In other words, it was his election, not his death, which caused the escalation. In any case, Lincoln's death definitely did not 'cause' the Civil War, but rather the other way around.
Lincoln ultimately lived to see the surrender of Gen. Robert E. Lee on April 9 1865 at Appomattox which is largely considered the 'end' of the Civil war. Lincoln was assassinated (5) days later on April 14th, 1865. The Civil War didn't 'officially' end until the proclamation by Andrew Jackson in August of 1866 (over a year later), but there were no major Civil War battles following Lincoln's death
(07-17-2024, 06:00 PM)ArMaP Wrote: I don't have enough free time to spend on things like this.
So...you expect others to do the research to your questions for you?? If you don't have enough time to do the research, then how do you have enough time to ask all the questions and read all the answers people try to give you?
Or, should we just ignore the questions altogether?
