(05-16-2024, 02:46 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: More 'peaceful protests'

"Kill Your Local Colonizer" - Campus Wide Graffiti and Vandalism at University of Washington

yeah ... 'peaceful' my ass ...

(05-14-2024, 02:25 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: No, I don't need to think that. You simply do not chant "from the river to the sea" unless you agree with Hamas and its primary goals. The Palestinians chose Hamas as their government with their eyes open. The irony of it all is Hamas also wants to eliminate the Western World. Even the young people protesting for them. I doubt that irony is lost on them.

(05-14-2024, 02:45 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Don't need to think about it at all.  It's obvious.  They are useful idiots.  They are being used by terrorists and by people on the other side of the world who would gladly chop off their heads and rape their dead bodies.  The dumbest group ... the 'queers for Palestine'.   Being queer in Gaza is illegal and will get you legally murdered.

(05-14-2024, 04:27 PM)putnam6 Wrote:  
It's funny I want to believe you but you offer no evidence except YOUR OPINION

First I'll just spout out my opinions too

An estimated 2500 arrests nationwide from over 140 universities and colleges this means each university protest had an average of 17.8 people arrested. Wow, Liberta! Liberta! Liberta! That may be a lot for Australia but for the US it's minuscule and has loss waht little momentum it had 

This brings up another pertinent point, respectfully it doesn't matter if Australia or any other country protests, ONLY the US support is crucial to Israel. No matter how much the current administration wants to placate the pro-Palestinian because of the election, it can not convince Israel to back off Rafah, end the elimination of Hamas, or forget the hostages still held in Gaza.

Nor should it...

for more perspective here today's protest in New York, kinda of small and insignificant, and an article pointing out my continued assertion that these protests aren't like the 60s protests, even with the few commonalities. But first...

[Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNmkElDWgAAlv32?format=jpg&name=small]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/opinion-today-s-protests-are-tamer-than-the-campus-unrest-of-the-1960s-so-why-the-harsh-response/ar-BB1mmu0C

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/live/b3jBOhLon9Q?si=WMGewR77XwqH71fU]

(05-15-2024, 01:53 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Perhaps you need to think about changing your opinion if the story below is even partially true. From the beginning, Ive said I don't mind protests as long as they are organic home grown and the college protests especially need to come from the students and faculties, all the protests outside the universities have been small peaceful and non-disruptive. This is not the case on campus most if not all have large percentages of outside actors and agitators, and we are hearing now of foreign involvement. Respectfully thats completely unacceptable if a foreign country sponsors this in any way shape or form. It means these protests aren't just like the 60s and 70s. Furthermore, we have the increasing possibility that China is playing a major role here. If true, and Im still checking it is a huge and ominous development, as try and bring back the momentum.

I understand Australia is perfectly fine with China sticking it's nose "down under" but that's not the case at all here in the US.

This would be like America organizing and paying for protesters in China in the early days of COVID. 

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1790727047553097970

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(05-17-2024, 01:35 PM)Notran Wrote: Students can say what they want and you can't blame the entire student and anti-war movement for what women of them say and do.

(05-17-2024, 01:35 PM)Notran Wrote: Here we offer out opinion just as everyone else. You do the same.

I know it's only the US support to Israel that counts because it's the US arming Israel and giving them access to information and billions of dollars. No other countries will do this or willing to even if they could.

(05-17-2024, 01:35 PM)Notran Wrote: My opinion on the protests hasn't changed and won't change because of some discussions on the internet but thanks for sharing yours.

(05-17-2024, 02:25 PM)putnam6 Wrote: True, here we offer our opinions, here on Deny Ignorance we also encourage supportive and corroborative evidence. Otherwise, you are just standing on a soapbox preaching your individual sermon, respectfully it's a bit monotonous

No other country has what America has to offer they don't need any other help

Are you suggesting it is just Israel and America against all the other countries of the world? 
 
Respectfully not trying to change your opinion, Im fully aware it's all you have. Keep clutching to it. 

Amazingly if Hamas released the hostages' I would be more apt to agree with you on stopping the madness.

Amazingly, you never mention the hostages. If they didn't take hostages I'd been much more apt to want the IDF to stop the fighting months ago.

For me I am here for the discussion and even though Im fairly certain I'm solidly behind Israel and the hostages.

This doesn't mean I agree with everything the IDF does. I never thought the IDF would get this far into Gaza without having to pull out because of "outside" pressure. I loathe the death of innocent, children in particular. It occurs all over the world every day, again tell me why there are no protests for the Sudanese. FWIW enough pressure on this administration about that situation might get a more positive response than expecting them to cut off a valuable ally in the real world. REALITY

More reality is if Gaza didn't want to open itself up to the wrath of the IDF perhaps they should have realized this was the inevitable response. Hamas thought they would get support from Hezbollah, Iran, and all the others who denounce Israel's existence. They miscalculated badly, and in the real world, there are consequences.

For the best perspective, there were 238,000 plus deaths in global conflict in 2022, the conflict in Gaza represents a little over 10%. In other words, there is a lot of killing going on elsewhere that our college students don't give a piss about.

Heres a link where called Gaza Graduation where protesting students can win 100 bucks for correct answers to simple questions about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict these are college students mind you

https://x.com/persianjewess/status/1791513427128782862

(05-17-2024, 01:49 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: When protest shuts down a school, it is no longer protest as its denying others their Rights. At that point it is a riot and criminal. When instructors join in the crime, they should be fired on the spot. People don't pay ridiculous amounts of money to not get an education because a hateful minority is allowed to flourish. When anarchy takes over, everyone loses.

I do not buy into the notion that most of them even understand what they are there for. Many if not most are just there for the thrill. The interlopers who are there only to fuel the fire of hate, and are not even students there, need to be spanked by the system. Meaningful stays in jail and fines that break them financially. The anarchists don't give a damn about the Palestinians or anyone for that matter.

(05-18-2024, 01:35 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Even this live video today, of a protest in New York the camera never pans out and shows how small it actually is, ever.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/-asXzY4vrf8?si=l-EB-ZGEnTwa5AJu]

(05-18-2024, 06:28 PM)Notran Wrote: If you have spent time at College/University you see they have slightly different rules as student unions are usually powerful. Students tend to occupy buildings and in many other countries the police can't even enter the premises. Not in the US but it needs a careful approach especially when the students protest against the war. It's common to be called trouble makers, anarchists, communists. Many of them are and are very proud of it, they don't hide it. You want to be against the establishment when you are young and against war. You want to be on the side of the weak. You know what I mean?

(05-18-2024, 06:28 PM)Notran Wrote: If you have spent time at College/University you see they have slightly different rules as student unions are usually powerful. Students tend to occupy buildings and in many other countries the police can't even enter the premises. Not in the US but it needs a careful approach especially when the students protest against the war. It's common to be called trouble makers, anarchists, communists. Many of them are and are very proud of it, they don't hide it. You want to be against the establishment when you are young and against war. You want to be on the side of the weak. You know what I mean?

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(05-20-2024, 01:11 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: I participated in the Peace Movement that played a part in ending the Vietnam War whether it's admitted or not. That was entirely different. We were not siding with terrorists. Siding with Hamas is the opposite of a peace movement. We have a serious problem here with so many of our nations young adults siding with genocidal terrorists. No thinking person is buying the lie that they are not antisemitic and it's clear they are.

To me it always read as strange that people like Hitler and Mao so easily recruited the youth of their counties into their insanity. Now it's happening here.

I learned there were very few authentic war protesters even in the late 60s, early 70s. Many if not most were about being a part of a fad and in all honesty were there for the thrill. It was very different then. In most cases it was polite and those who wanted to get through to go to classes were met with no resistance. After all violence has no place in an actual peace movement.