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RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-17-2024
Cheatle also said that there were local police officers in that building Crook was on. But local PD denies this and say they were in a nearby building. She has no clue what she’s talking about.
If they were in the same building, they would have heard him. Metal roofs are incredibly noisy. I have composition shingles, and I can hear every squirrel or bird walking around up there. If there were cops in there, they failed in epic proportions.
RE: Trump shot? - Lysergic - 07-17-2024
A mile with a ladder and a rifle?
kek
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Why his skull that shape?
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 01:16 PM)ArMaP Wrote: Why do we need to know anything about his parents? Those doing the investigation need, armchair investigators do not.
Why? Well, because it would likely provide some insight into the kid's conflicted mind and thus what motives he may have had. I personally think he was just that, 'conflicted'. He had one parent who subscribed to one party's ideology (democrat), and the other parent who allegedly subscribed to another (independent) ideology, yet he was seemingly registered as a 3rd political ideology (republican). Reports from a HS friend today claim he frequently commented and was very outspoken about how he hated ALL mainstream politicians (i.e. republican, independent, and democratic). I can easily see how this might confuse a formative mind from a younger age, at-home arguments about different ideologies, so he maybe rebelliously goes and registers for a party that neither of his parents belong to out of defiance. Then, after several years in the workforce, he begins to associate with a group of anti-establishment radicals who twist his mind by spewing non-stop hatred and anarchist ideas, so he snaps and acts out at the first mainstream politician which shows up in his 'back yard'.
To Blaine's point (albeit disagreeable), it does appear he acted alone, and thus is responsible for his actions. BUT having intelligence into the group whom may have indoctrinated him with hatred and notions of violence, possibly even a domestic terror group bent on inspiring others to act out similarly, would be valuable information to have in preventing future such attacks.
(07-17-2024, 01:16 PM)ArMaP Wrote: Reported by whom?
It is being reported by numerous MSM outlets. Are you asking for a list of specifically which ones? You can go look that up easily enough. Here in the US, this information is a matter of Public Record and fairly easily obtainable by about anyone with a modicum of knowledge how to request the same. As long as no PII (Personally Identifiable Information) is released, it's often as simple as a phoned in request.
RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 01:57 PM)Lysergic Wrote: A mile with a ladder and a rifle?
kek
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Why his skull that shape?
So now we’ve got a Hyundai, a conversion van, a GM pickup.
And now he supposedly walked. WTF!
It certainly feels like they are throwing spaghetti against a wall to see what sticks…….
RE: Trump shot? - Lysergic - 07-17-2024
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RE: Trump shot? - Waterglass - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 12:50 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: IMO the only thing anyone needs to know about Crooks is that he was a loner and he was heavily bullied in school. Now where have we heard that before? The rest is just pearl clutching.
The only person at fault here is Crooks.
So you do trust Forbes? Heres some more on Crooks, the shooter:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/07/17/father-of-suspected-trump-gunman-was-profiled-as-pro-gun-voter-by-trump-campaign-what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks/
"conservative...It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.” Student Anna Dusch, however, who took a government class with Crooks, told the Times he never revealed any of his political views to his peers despite the subject material. One classmate, Jameson Murphy, told the New York Post that Crooks, 20, wasn't able to make the Bethel Park High School rifle team after missing targets "by close to 20 feet" and described him as a "terrible shot." Another classmate, who was not named, added that the rifle team coach had concerns about Crooks, saying the former Naval man "knew when someone’s not the greatest person" and had noted Crooks' "crass jokes that weren’t appropriate when there are firearms in the school setting."
Here's another:
He would regularly wear hunting outfits and was made fun of for the way he dressed, Mr Kohler said.
"He would sit alone at lunch. He was just the outcast," Mr Kohler said. "It's honestly kind of sad."
Crooks tried out for the school's rifle team but was turned away because he was "a bad shooter", said Frederick Mach, a current captain of the team who was a few years behind Crooks at the school.
Michael Dudjak, 20, who went to school with Crooks for most of his life, recalled him as a relatively reserved and quiet classmate. He didn't hear or see Crooks being actively bullied by their peers, Mr Dudjak said, but Crooks was "on his own a lot".
He couldn't recall Crooks ever being outspoken about politics or very active on social media. Mr Dudjak was with some friends and acquaintances from high school Saturday night when he learned that Crooks was the gunman.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 01:40 PM)Maxmars Wrote: It would seem imprudent to simply disregard the shooters' world and events leading up to the attempt. But that is the domain of investigators of the 'authorized' variety, and it is often quite prudent for the investigators to play their cards 'close to the chest' until such time as they are confident they fully understand everything leading up to the crime. This of course, bears an assumption that they want to find the truth, and not just crafting a "story they will tell."
Fully agree with this approach...under ordinary and reasonable circumstances. However, these are FAR from ordinary and/or reasonable circumstances. Sadly, government officials and the MSM have lost so much credibility that no one can believe anything they hear from these sources anymore. This, in and of itself, is criminal, but when escalated to the level of attempting to assassinate a leading candidate for the leading country in the free-world, well, all bets are off.
(07-17-2024, 01:40 PM)Maxmars Wrote: On the other hand, it is not reasonable to believe that the remainder of society 'should' just sit quietly, waiting for spurious 'official' declarations... frankly, those declarations are most often "crafted" for political effect and public narrative purposes, not to adjudicate justice. Between ensconced "political" leanings, tightly-cloistered 'decision makers,' and the entertainment industries "productions," what we would call 'truth' is frequently 'lost,' or hopelessly obscured.
The key elements of this event are very much in question... and it is logical to begin with the shooter. Of course we are treated to the "lone gunman" theory right off the bat... because there's less to dig, less to question, and less to investigate... it's the least labor-intensive path to follow... And the idea that a 20-years old (practically a 'child') should become so impassioned as to find assassination a solution, might be a 'convenient' façade for the simplistic narratives that usually accompany these tragic matters.
If the idea is to understand, less information is not better. Rather than say "enough" of that story because we want it behind us, perhaps we should ask "why less information?"... "how does 'not' knowing help us understand more fully?"... "why shouldn't what we want to know be a part of the dialogue?"...
Completely agree, and good points all.
RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-17-2024
MY GAWD! New information — Butler county Commissioner says that only 7 local police officers were working the event. AND they were assigned to traffic control. No where near the building Crooks was on….
RE: Trump shot? - Lysergic - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 02:06 PM)Waterglass Wrote: So you do trust Forbes? Heres some more on Crooks, the shooter:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/07/17/father-of-suspected-trump-gunman-was-profiled-as-pro-gun-voter-by-trump-campaign-what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks/
"conservative...It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.” Student Anna Dusch, however, who took a government class with Crooks, told the Times he never revealed any of his political views to his peers despite the subject material. One classmate, Jameson Murphy, told the New York Post that Crooks, 20, wasn't able to make the Bethel Park High School rifle team after missing targets "by close to 20 feet" and described him as a "terrible shot." Another classmate, who was not named, added that the rifle team coach had concerns about Crooks, saying the former Naval man "knew when someone’s not the greatest person" and had noted Crooks' "crass jokes that weren’t appropriate when there are firearms in the school setting."
rifle was too hebby
probably was gassed after the walk, then had to ascend a ladder, no wonder he missed.
To die a virgin and to miss.
Brutal.
What a way to be remember, ayy at least you got that video where you brag about being tall and smart and 10 in benis, hahaha.
fuckin' zoomers.
RE: Trump shot? - TheRedneck - 07-17-2024
(07-17-2024, 11:15 AM)KKLoco Wrote: They reported that he bought a 5 foot step ladder at Home Depot. Not a 12 foot. There’s so much disinformation, it’s hard to make heads or tales of anything.
A GM pickup? This is the first I’ve heard of that. Would make sense for a 12 foot ladder. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills as this is all so confusing.
Couldn’t find a photo online of this. So I had to take a pic of my tv with my phone.
Crooks cell phone and what looks like a tv remote, probably used as a detonation device.
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This ^^^ is what I logged in to talk about.
First of all, I heard it was a van when the shooting happened. I saw a video on FaceBook of an older van being towed from the scene claiming to be the shooter's van. "Car" is sometimes used generically to refer to any two-axle personal vehicle, so I didn't think much of people referring to his vehicle as a "car."
But then I heard about the remote control (mire on that later) and I looked up an article to reference here... I found this:
https://nationalpost.com/news/youtuber-reacts-crooks-wearing-merch
Quote:After his errands, Crooks drove about an hour north to get to the rally. There was an “improvised explosive device” in the trunk of his car, a Hyundai Sonata, an unidentified official told CNN. The device was connected to a receiver using wires, and Crooks had a remote control detonator with him.(Still learning the bbcode, so bear with me)
“That suggests the gunman may have been planning to set off an explosion remotely, and investigators are considering the theory that he may have been planning a distraction during the shooting,” per CNN
Vans don't have trunks; neither do pickups. They even identified the car as a sedan. What was the deal with the van? But that's a minor point, compared to the discovery of a remote control. You see that was the one big hole in my theory: how could someone recruit a kid for an obvious suicide mission? I hadn't seen any way for him to escape... until now.
FlyingClayDisk, I doubt seriously he drove there with anyone. There were explosives in the car. He might have met friends there.
Anyway, here's what I believe the plan was:
The ladder was already on premises, probably lying down against the alcove wall. He would watch for a break in police patrol and slip into the alcove, raise the ladder, and climb up to the roof. Once there, he would hide behind an AC unit and train his weapon on Trump's temple. He would take the shot, Trump would be down, there would be chaos, then he would detonate the explosives in his car. Between that and the chaos already happening, he would scoot back down the ladder, ditch the gun in the alcove, and merge in with the crowd until he would escape the scene. Remember, it is quite difficult to locate a shooter from one shot at the time; it normally takes two shots to identify the location the shot came from.
Once free, he would report the gun stolen from outside the range and claim that he was unable to report it any sooner because his car was also stolen. I also think he probably had another car stashed nearby to drive back to his shooting range... possibly with a driver.
He also had to bring the gun with him; it was his father's gun that he borrowed that day to go to the range. Someone would surely have asked a few vary uncomfortable questions had they rode up there to a Presidential rally and there's an AR-15 lying around in the car.
But after he got into position, he was interrupted by the police. He turned the gun on them and they retreated, but that also meant he had been discovered. He likely panicked and took his shot. His aim was true, but Trump turned his head at that exact moment and he only clipped Trump's ear. Now panicked, he starts firing off additional shots, trying to take Trump out. His aim was way off with the extra shots, though, hitting bystanders and a hydraulic line. When he started firing multiple shots, Trump's snipers were able to zero in on him and take him out. He never got the chance to set off the explosives.
This means a few things: first, he was being paid. He was willing to sacrifice his car, meaning he had a way to get another one. He also had help... he did not carry a 12-foot ladder onto those premises. I'm amazed he managed to get there with the rifle, although some models do break down for portability. I haven't heard the exact model. It means this wasn't concocted by a 20-year old loner... this was specifically, meticulously planned out, and the local police were probably told to monitor the adjacent buildings to make it possible to get in. Local police are never as competent as Secret Service. That's why they normally act in an auxiliary role only.
I'm sorry... this boy was recruited and paid to assassinate Donald Trump, by someone with high connections inside the Secret Service (or above). This was an inside job, and I don't think the agents on site were in on it. They were working with modified policies that were modified specifically to allow someone to get in at a specific location to do the deed. Too much chance a field agent would turn whistleblower.
Now, whoever set this up has a problem: Trump is still alive and the plan was never fully carried out. There's going to be a lot of misinformation coming out to try and do the CYA thing. We may know who shot JFK before we know who set this up.
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