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RE: Trump shot? - TheRedneck - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 03:34 PM)KKLoco Wrote: It’s not a GIF. It’s a video of Crooks at his high school screaming at the top of his lungs “Slash every republicans throats! Slash them all! Suck my fucking balls!”
Yes, he really did say that.
Thats the only source I have. I’ll try and find another one.
I don't know, man. That doesn't add up to him being registered as a Republican. I can get that if he was apolitical, but that is showing him before he could register as severely political and anti-Republican.
It would be an easy edit to make it appear to be him, adjusting the face to look similar.
One thing I have noticed is that the longer after an event happens, the less reliable the information coming out is. It takes time to develop a cover story and fabricate "evidence." Initial information may be sketchy and fluid, but at least it is what people on the scene believe to be true and usually has some truth in it.
TheRedneck
RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 09:23 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: I don't know, man. That doesn't add up to him being registered as a Republican. I can get that if he was apolitical, but that is showing him before he could register as severely political and anti-Republican.
It would be an easy edit to make it appear to be him, adjusting the face to look similar.
One thing I have noticed is that the longer after an event happens, the less reliable the information coming out is. It takes time to develop a cover story and fabricate "evidence." Initial information may be sketchy and fluid, but at least it is what people on the scene believe to be true and usually has some truth in it.
TheRedneck
Precisely! Hence, the show ‘The First 48’.
Any investigation beyond that time frame dies out, and goes cold.
Time is of the essence. Delays only benefit the perps….
RE: Trump shot? - 727Sky - 07-16-2024
Anyone who thinks this was an honest mistake by the SS and local yokels lives in La La land IMO
RE: Trump shot? - Maxmars - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 09:35 PM)KKLoco Wrote: Precisely! Hence, the show ‘The First 48’.
Any investigation beyond that time frame dies out, and goes cold.
Time is of the essence. Delays only benefit the perps….
I think we are too quickly moved out of context by a seemingly well-directed media narrative.
I am no expert on graphics, but I do know that any manipulation you can conceive of is possible now. So that specter of "maybe not" is never going to vanish. If you think it impossible to fake, and that is him, it makes little progress towards the reason this played out as it did. I can't attribute anything more than hormones and grooming to get to the point of "Go out there, kill a President, and then be killed." By the way, I was expecting some form of 'manifesto' to be found... which goes to show you how "programmed" I am.
As we gravitate from the context of the shooter himself, the vistas for distraction are endless. I would playfully suggest that paying close attention to the shooter is not a favorite talking point of the authorities.
RE: Trump shot? - TheRedneck - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 11:18 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: Well, I don't know. TMZ is pretty tenacious about this kind of thing. They don't back down very easy, especially when they think they've got something no one else has.
And yes, this is an absolute, 100%, SS failure, no matter how anyone tries to slice and dice it. I've worked around the SS before and they are generally not clowns, BUT this was back in 2008. And, it was Obama they were protecting. They left not a single stone un-turned for about a mile in every direction from where Obama would be. Seriously, we had to weld manhole covers shut upwards of a mile from any place he or anyone else from his entourage were going to be. We're STILL cutting some of those welds apart fully 16 years after the fact! There were counter-snipers on every rooftop, and most certainly all of the highest ones. The place was crawling with counter-snipers. It was incredible. They had a whole separate cargo aircraft just for them. So, there was AF1, and two (2) C-17 GlobeMaster aircraft (one for the president's vehicles, and the 2nd for the SS contingent). It was like a mobile army!
Much different SS now, I guess.
It's definitely a Secret Service failure, but I'm thinking at the planning level instead of the agent level. The agents from what I understand, did exactly what they are supposed to do when an assassination attempt happens. The shot rang out, Trump touched his ear, saw the blood, and immediately went into a crouch. There were SS agents on him almost immediately, covering him with their bodies. They held that position until the threat was neutralized, then allowed him to get up and escorted him back to an extraction vehicle.
Yes, two of the agents were too short and should have been assigned elsewhere. But that's the woke agenda. They probably identify as 7'-2" and 350 pounds.
The problem was in the planning. I'm hearing that SS does not directly cover private buildings outside the venue, relying on local law enforcement for that... but that makes zero sense. It's contrary to what I have always understood: when the President shows up, everything is covered and crawling with agents.
It seems there are 50 different stories out there about what the SS should have done or what their standard operating procedure is, and they all contradict each other. So I really don't know... but I know it's ridiculous to not cover private buildings.
If I had to guess, that Director is the lead failure, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were intentional. She has admitted fault, but refused to step down... "Sure, I screwed up, but we'll get him next time" is how I read that.
TheRedneck
RE: Trump shot? - 727Sky - 07-16-2024
Now the same idiots who set the ROE and to hold your fire are telling the SS to not say anything or lose your job. I would like to think this is due to stupid people in positions they are not qualified to be in but alas I fear there is more to this than being stupid and the government sponsored current story line of excuses.
RE: Trump shot? - Lysergic - 07-16-2024
I got a co worker from California, he's convinced it's all fake.
I asked him you mean like how Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook?
RE: Trump shot? - theshadowknows - 07-17-2024
(07-16-2024, 10:48 PM)Lysergic Wrote: I got a co worker from California, he's convinced it's all fake.
I asked him you mean like how Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook?
I too am starting to hear the false flag narrative. SMH.
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-17-2024
I think there's a much simpler explanation than all the crazy conspiracy theories circulating about, and it all makes sense if you look at all the available info. I'll list the main points first, and then add detail to each one afterwards (kind of a TL;DR approach)
1.) The shooter (not going to glorify his name) fantasized about shooting Trump, but wasn't really serious.
2.) The shooter was not alone at the rally. No accomplices, he just wasn't at the rally by himself. He was with a group of peers. (There's proof)
3.) The firearm was stashed at, or nearby, the building he climbed onto well before the rally.
4.) The ladder to climb up on the building was not placed by the shooter.
5.) He had been radicalized by some group over the past couple years.
6.) The shooter had some sort of a mental snap shortly after the rally began.
7.) The delays in neutralizing the shooter are a tragic comedy of errors due to serious security lapses by the SS (and conflicting directions and chaos after he was spotted).
Okay, so here's what I believe went down...
Points #1 and #5 - As has been noted by numerous sources the shooter was endlessly bullied when younger. Over the past couple years he began to gain his identity and acceptance by associating with a group of radicals (possibly coworkers or friends). As many of us have seen there is increasingly violent statements being made in social media and various MSM outlets. Over time the shooter developed a hatred for Trump and had fantasies of taking him out. This would have (in his mind) made all his radical associates accept him even more (as twisted as this is), but he never really believed he would actually do it. It was merely a fantasy (but one he would come close to acting out). I've actually seen this kind of behavior (not about killing people, but just secretly living out some secret fantasy in real life).
Point #2 - There is now proof he was not alone. KKLoco posted a link earlier in this thread. There is a video of a woman screaming his name after he climbed on the roof. She screams..."CROOKS...get over here! What are you DOING???...and she continues repeatedly screaming this same statement several times, even after he is shot. After he is shot, you can hear her screaming the same thing, but now she's sobbing (because she likely realizes he's just been fatally shot.) In the same video you can hear several others screaming the same thing; they're not as loud as the girl screaming, but they're all screaming at him by name. The fact they all refer to him as "CROOKS" likely means they are not parents or siblings, just associates or friends. He was at the rally in a group. These weren't accomplices (other than maybe agitators); he acted alone, but he wasn't at the rally alone.
Point #3 - He stashed the firearm at the rally site before the rally (possibly even days before). We know this by the tone of the woman screaming in item #2 above. If you listen to her voice, she sounds astonished and distraught. It's like she's truly surprised that he's acting out on something they may have snidely or sarcastically discussed. She sounds stunned that he's apparently walked away from the group (thus the "Get over here!" statement). 'Here' where the rest of the group he was with is; she's telling him to come back. It made his fantasy seem real to him.
Point #4 - There are numerous pictures (even here on ATS) of the ladder in place on the side of the building before the rally. It does appear to be attached in some fashion to the building. Even if it was attached, it is not installed per any Building Code in the US, so it wasn't professionally installed there, but it was there before the event. The shooter likely knew this, and figured this would be his way to get a good spot to shoot from. The shooter also stashed the rifle nearby this ladder (again, ahead of time). In his fantasy, he would retrieve it the day of the rally, climb the ladder to the roof and carry out his twisted plan. But, he never believed in his heart he could actually do it. Regardless, stashing the rifle made it all seem real to him. Plus it probably got his adrenaline rushing doing it.
Point #5 - Already covered in item #1, but just to add...the group he was with at the rally are likely part of the peer group he was radicalized by. They likely spewed non-stop hatred for Trump and he just became crazed after a while by peer pressure and the desire to be accepted. They may have intended to be protesters at the event, or were planning on causing some sort of disruption. The screaming girl/woman recorded on video calling him by name and telling him to come back was a member of these radicals. She was yelling at him to come "back" to the group.
Point #6 - At some point shortly after the rally began, possibly because of all the noise, and all the strong support for Trump he just snapped and walked away from the group he was with. He may have even told them ahead of time what he'd done, but no one believed him. In any case, he snapped and suddenly decided to make his fantasy become real. Sort of a..."F*** IT! My life sucks, Why not?...kind of moment. He then walked away from the group, grabbed the rifle, climbed up on the roof and began carrying out his twisted fantasy. It was then that members of the group he was with saw him up on the roof and became increasingly distraught. When the screaming woman saw he really did have a rifle after all, she really started screaming even louder. She continues screaming until after he is shot at which point she is sobbing.
Point #7 - The delays in taking the shooter out are simply explained as just a series of screw ups by both the SS and the LEO's. People reporting things to the LEO's on the ground, conflicting radio calls back and forth trying to verify which roof, and whether the shooter was really not actually an LEO. I've seen this kind of radio confusion a million times. Fragments of radio calls, incomplete information, conflicting directions and mass confusion. There is absolutely NO excuse for this, and people should be held accountable, but it doesn't change the fact that these things frequently happen, especially when people get excited and/or start to panic.
Conclusion - When one of the LEO's got boosted (by another LEO) up to the edge of the roof, and the shooter saw him, the shooter turned and pointed the rifle at the LEO. This was the turning point for the shooter. Right at that second he was committed to doing something; in his mind he had no choice but to act because his life was about to be ended. He likely knew, no matter what, he was going to get shot, so he started firing. If the LEO hadn't peered over the edge of the roof, the shooter most likely would have stayed there for a while longer before shooting (and may not even fired at all), but when the LEO popped up the fantasy ended immediately and reality set in. Everything was going to be over in a few seconds and he knew it. So, he pulled the trigger.
I'll be willing to bet a chicken dinner that when the final story comes out, what I've laid out above will be pretty close to, if not almost exactly, what happened.
My assessment is the authorities need to find out exactly who the screaming girl/woman was, and who the group was which the shooter was with, and authorities need to seriously question these individuals. They hold the key to what happened at the rally July 13th.
(07-16-2024, 07:20 PM)KKLoco Wrote: Good Gawd Damn!
New footage of SS agents and LEO’s barricaded behind a fence. LEO vehicle had to ram the fence to free them. Ironically, these look like the dudes that SHOULD have been on Trump’s personal detail.
https://x.com/the_typical_lib/status/1813284903150109076
All except for the counter-sniper team who took out the shooter, the entire rest of the response was an absolute clown show to be perfectly honest. It would be hard for a bunch of kids playing Airsoft to do a worse job. If it wasn't so serious, I'd say the whole thing qualifies for an episode of the Keystone Kops.
I sincerely hope every agency involved has a very serious AAR debrief and dressing down. There's just no excuse! I mean, it's almost too difficult to list all the things which were done wrong, and would be easier to just list the one or two things they actually got right.
The Secret Service completely OWNS this failure, top to bottom. There is just no, zero, excuse for this complete and utter failure. They were in charge, without exception...and they failed miserably.
RE: Trump shot? - ArMaP - 07-17-2024
(07-16-2024, 09:23 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: One thing I have noticed is that the longer after an event happens, the less reliable the information coming out is. It takes time to develop a cover story and fabricate "evidence." Initial information may be sketchy and fluid, but at least it is what people on the scene believe to be true and usually has some truth in it.
Only when things are pre-planed and go according to plan, as in those cases the cover story was already prepared along with the "evidence", so too much evidence right at the start is, to me, even more suspicious.
Some things I do not agree with:
(07-17-2024, 01:32 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: 2.) The shooter was not alone at the rally. No accomplices, he just wasn't at the rally by himself. He was with a group of peers. (There's proof)
The audio of a woman calling (supposedly) his name is not proof that he was not alone, is only proof (if real, it's extremely easy to add sound to a video) that someone on the rally knew him or someone else with that name.
Quote:5.) He had been radicalized by some group over the past couple years.
A desperate act does not mean radicalization, and the US history is full of cases of people that decide to kill someone (or many people) because of some personal idea, like "I don't like Mondays".
