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The Fall of Modern Art - Anna - 11-15-2024
Just recently I've stumbled upon this picture on X:
![[Image: GcDGIYSWYAEBK5C?format=jpg&name=900x900]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcDGIYSWYAEBK5C?format=jpg&name=900x900)
This is an "exhibition" in a newly opened Museum of Modern Art in Warsaw; just a few coins and receipts from a supermarket dropped on the floor in an otherwise empty room. Several people gathered there and were making photos.
Later some staff member approached and cleaned the "exhibition" which turned out not to be an exhibition but a joke played by some visitor. Are people to be blamed that they took the rubbish for art? Maybe, I'm dumb but most of today's modern art displayed in museums looks like worthless garbage as compared to the classical art, with very few exceptions I actually admired.
And what are your thoughts about the modern art? Do you find any value in it?
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Sirius - 11-15-2024
It depends where you are from, the west went pretty hardcore on counter culture against the soviets and guys like Jackson Pollock popped up being CIA funded.
https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/
Today the same thing is playing out with woke culture that is a counter too...
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Encia22 - 11-15-2024
(11-15-2024, 07:13 AM)Anna Wrote: Just recently I've stumbled upon this picture on X:
Similar case in Holland except it was truly an exibition piece...
Quote:A Dutch museum has recovered an artwork that looks like two empty beer cans after a staff member accidentally threw it in the rubbish bin thinking it was trash.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/08/beer-can-artwork-lam-museum-thrown-out-all-the-good-times-we-spent-together
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I will never undserstand this form of art.
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RE: The Fall of Modern Art - ArMaP - 11-15-2024
(11-15-2024, 07:13 AM)Anna Wrote: Later some staff member approached and cleaned the "exhibition" which turned out not to be an exhibition but a joke played by some visitor. Are people to be blamed that they took the rubbish for art?
It may have been a joke but it was also art. One of my definitions of art (supported by my sister, herself an artist) is "something that has no other use except being targeted by our senses", in this case, watched.
Sometimes there's also what I call "unintended art", cases in which someone makes something and someone else sees it in a different way that makes it being interpreted as art.
Quote:And what are your thoughts about the modern art? Do you find any value in it?
I do, if it's original or if the execution show an original method or approach to who is going to appreciate it.
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Anna - 11-15-2024
(11-15-2024, 07:32 AM)Encia22 Wrote: Similar case in Holland except it was truly an exibition piece...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/08/beer-can-artwork-lam-museum-thrown-out-all-the-good-times-we-spent-together
[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/co67373e6c.png]
I will never undserstand this form of art.
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Hahaha. Some time ago, around 2011, I think, there was this exhibition in the museum in Dortmund called "When it starts dripping from the ceiling" which was unintentionally destroyed by a cleaning lady. The poor woman thought the stains of patina on it, which were supposed to mean the dried drops of rain, was dirt so she scrubbed it away.
Overzealous cleaner ruins £690,000 artwork that she thought was dirty
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - ArMaP - 11-15-2024
(11-15-2024, 08:04 AM)Anna Wrote: Hahaha. Some time ago, around 2011, I think, there was this exhibition in the museum in Dortmund called "When it starts dripping from the ceiling" which was unintentionally destroyed by a cleaning lady. The poor woman thought the stains of patina on it, which were supposed to mean the dried drops of rain, was dirt so she scrubbed it away.
Overzealous cleaner ruins £690,000 artwork that she thought was dirty
A case of unintended art.
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Quantum12 - 11-15-2024
(11-15-2024, 07:13 AM)Anna Wrote: Just recently I've stumbled upon this picture on X:
[Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcDGIYSWYAEBK5C?format=jpg&name=900x900]
And what are your thoughts about the modern art? Do you find any value in it?
I work really hard on my art. It takes many long hours. My art sells for $700 a $1200 per canvas.
A friend of mine took a simple photo of junk near the woods and it’s selling like crazy. He has made really good money this year.
I sell at art shows here in Detroit and lately I have seen odd junk selling. A artist painted a Blur looking mouse blue eating bright cheese. $7000.00 sold right away.
It’s amazing what sells!
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - UltraBudgie - 11-15-2024
This is actually a wonderful commentary on the eerie liminal isolation of materialism, evoked by monochromatic tonality, bounded orthogonality, and harsh florescence asserting dominance over all negative space. Chaos is seen as mere debris, a projection of the viewer's habitus, a residual side-effect of the sociologically participatory transcending the personal.
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Maxmars - 11-15-2024
Art exists as a judgement call by the witness.
Therefore it is (or can be) everywhere, and anywhere. As a result, for me, I expect to experience art at a museum (in this case) that I could only perceive in that place. I'm not looking to observe a few tin cans and a banana peel in a corner called "art" in a museum, when that kind of "art" exists all around me anywhere I wish to perceive it.
I expect crafted art... not artful narrative crafting.
I know that such a position is fully "on me;" and I apologize if that incorrectly seems insulting or ignorant.
I don't feel that such art should be presented and valued as if it were a Matisse, a Michel Angelo, etc.;... but that's just me.
Meaning and message are important in art, and such displays of casually thrown together items call for the perceiver to "find the art in it."
But I can "find" art anywhere...
I don't need "This is art too."
Nevertheless, artistic freedom manifests everywhere, and if many are inclined to pay to see such artful expressions... well... that's on them.
RE: The Fall of Modern Art - Anna - 11-15-2024
I remember one modern art exhibition that really impressed me. I had to enter a very dark corridor. It was so dark I didn't see anything so a staff member had to lead me by a hand. Round the corner, we entered a dark room where there stood a statue of a ghost dimly lit with only one candle.
Apart from that I like surrealism. My favorite painter is Salvador Dali. Of more modern painters I like a Polish dystopian surrealism artist, Beksinski. This is one of his paintings:
![[Image: MtRPyr56RnqLfmij0u-CCzrRX3U1dSr1h7MBT_De...1tUiiyeRwg]](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/MtRPyr56RnqLfmij0u-CCzrRX3U1dSr1h7MBT_Det9LADWq6cn17vAggIQOGkE6kWGEIEtNBxZj-UCu7sGCl4wHpCHIvRFQVyxbq_Iv6e0T0k8Oh4jVzI7-1fenwgYlwqIeElDdPxtU-mD86fKE9Svq61tUiiyeRwg)
