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Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Chiefsmom - 06-18-2024
I found this disturbing video today.
He talks about who is actually in control of the site and what is being done, and will no longer be done at the site.
It really is worth the watch, although sad and unsurprising.
Basically, the site is run by a group of companies, run by a billionaire, that is also involved with the WEF. The sad thing is, they are destroying the site, and have decided to not excavate any more of it.
Apparently, they are going to leave the rest to future generations?
Seems like a lot of fuel for conspiracy theorists as to why they are doing with the site. There are so many unanswered questions about the site. We have a lot of good educated guesses as to the messages and the purpose, but do we know anything for sure? How do we know that answers aren't still buried?
Why are they destroying the site by planting trees? And laying concrete? Common sense says you don't do that!
Personally, it just made me angry. Sure seems, from the video information, that they just don't want any real answers.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - KKLoco - 06-18-2024
(06-18-2024, 11:06 AM)Chiefsmom Wrote: I found this disturbing video today.I watched this video last week. It is infuriating. It’s my belief, that Gobekli Tepe was from a pre-flood civilization. They purposely buried it as a time capsule. If further excavations were done, they would see this. This also implies that whoever buried it, knew there was a major catastrophe coming.
He talks about who is actually in control of the site and what is being done, and will no longer be done at the site.
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNgGnUrCKM]
It really is worth the watch, although sad and unsurprising.
Basically, the site is run by a group of companies, run by a billionaire, that is also involved with the WEF. The sad thing is, they are destroying the site, and have decided to not excavate any more of it.
Apparently, they are going to leave the rest to future generations?
Seems like a lot of fuel for conspiracy theorists as to why they are doing with the site. There are so many unanswered questions about the site. We have a lot of good educated guesses as to the messages and the purpose, but do we know anything for sure? How do we know that answers aren't still buried?
Why are they destroying the site by planting trees? And laying concrete? Common sense says you don't do that!
Personally, it just made me angry. Sure seems, from the video information, that they just don't want any real answers.
Should it surprise us the WEF is involved in covering up our history?
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Chiefsmom - 06-18-2024
No, not at all.
I am actually surprised they did the damage, creating the platform and the walkway.
Kinda proves their BS lie, about not damaging the site.
How can they be so stupid? Or do they just not care anymore? I mean, what are we going to do about it? Maybe someone will sue them?
Just sickening really.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Maxmars - 06-18-2024
The problem isn't the site and it's "handling." The problem is in the "they" part of the equation.
Funding commands its servants.
Of course, it appears that there is something "they" can't afford to have discovered and reported here... and they will invoke every tool at their disposal to avoid that 'discovery.'
The 'key' being... this is evidence of a pre-flood civilization... You know, the one where until recently, the narrative to date said never existed.
What happens if there are "other" examples elsewhere?... I suppose we shall see.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Chiefsmom - 06-18-2024
(06-18-2024, 01:55 PM)Maxmars Wrote: The problem isn't the site and it's "handling." The problem is in the "they" part of the equation.I truly believe there are. I so wish for some "bombshell" find, that someone actually gets to show the world, before "they" get their mits on it.
Funding commands its servants.
Of course, it appears that there is something "they" can't afford to have discovered and reported here... and they will invoke every tool at their disposal to avoid that 'discovery.'
The 'key' being... this is evidence of a pre-flood civilization... You know, the one where until recently, the narrative to date said never existed.
What happens if there are "other" examples elsewhere?... I suppose we shall see.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Byrd - 06-18-2024
It would be a better video if Corsetti actually knew more about how archaeology is done and who's in control.
No, it's not the WEF.
Firstus... the site originally was not close to resources (such as places for the dig team to sleep and places where they could cook food, bathe, go to the bathroom, etc.) This presented a logistical problem and also meant there wasn't a constant dig presence.
Secondly, the area is part of Turkey, which is a sovereign country. It's not some free-for-all land in the middle of nowhere. And people own the land next to the site -- and owned the site itself. In fact, it was the land owners who alerted the scientists to the presence of flint artifacts.
One of the issues is that they have to buy the land from the people -- they don't just march in with the army, kick the landowners off and do what they like. That's against the (Turkish) law. You might not like the trees, but I believe that land is held by a local farmer, who uses it for agriculture.
Thirdly, the area is under the control of the Turkish government, who is letting the DAI (German Archaeological Institute https://www.dainst.org/en/departments/istanbul) do the dig.
Dig teams are relatively small and digs go very slowly. So you've got 20-40 people (many of whom are students working under the direction of a senior archaeologist) working on an area. I don't know if you've ever dug at a site, but it takes a lot of careful scraping to clear a 1 meter square section (I worked in Palo Duro canyon with the Texas Archaeological Society, and it took four of us a full day to dig a 1 meter square pit down to a level of 8 inches and sift all the dirt.) The GT digs go down 20-40 feet or more. This isn't just a surface "scratch and be done" operation.
When you find something, you have to stop, call over the site director, and the exact location has to be marked on a grid. Photos will be taken (and not just any old photos. You have to set up a direction marker showing true north and a measuring stick to give the size.) and you'll be told how to proceed. Progress will be stopped occasionally and more photos and measurements taken.
Yes, they even stop the dig for Just Plain Rocks. Those rocks may later indicate something about the fill or may turn out to be pieces of something else.
Everything gets labeled.
If the ground is hard and stony (as it is in that area), it takes longer, and if the site is filled with rocky rubble (as it was), you still have to stop and document Every Single Rock you find.
Every one of them.
And when the tourists started showing up in numbers and damaging or disrupting the site and the dig, they had to do something to both accommodate the tourists (and their valuable tourist dollars) and maintain site security and integrity. So that disrupts the digs.
By the way, the area that had been excavated once fit neatly inside the covering. The progress (that is being complained about) is the part where the dig continues under the walkway and goes through to the other side (as can be seen in several photos.)
Oh... and the site isn't open 365 days per year. Teams aren't assigned the area for their lifetime. In general, many of the workers are there for a semester, so work pauses or slows during the changeover time (and while teaching the new group about procedures and so forth.)
And next, Turkey is and has been involved in conflicts (wars) with Syria and others -- and the site isn't too far from the Syrian border. Archaeology in the time of war has a lot of problems, as you can imagine.
And then there's the climate. You can't dig in the winter (rainy season) and in the summer, temperatures can get over 105 degrees (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/)
So, yes. They've been digging down to the true basement and not across the site. Yes, they want some areas (with potential problems) left for later generations who will have better tools (improved Ground Penetrating Radar, for example.) This is standard when you run across something that's fragile or embedded in a substrate that's difficult to remove.
And yeah, they're people. Some make really bad decisions.
The WEF clearly doesn't control it, otherwise Klaus' wife would have raised holy heck about it long before this (and so would Klaus. And others.)
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - FlyingClayDisk - 06-18-2024
I've figger'd it out! Eureka!
When they were digging, they dug up a skeleton from the first generation Algore (ver 1.0), the one they used to make all the Algore clones from ever since. Buried with him was a sign which read..."The great polar ice-thingies are melting! Gimme' all your gold, trinkets and jewels, and I will command it to stop. You will eat sticks and bugs and be happy!"
When the ancient archaeologists first discovered that, they said "''F' THIS!! If we dig this guy up, we'll never hear the end of it; he'll be all up in our grilles, taxin' our wheels, and fire, and bronze 'n sh!t!!! Screw that! Just throw some more dirt on him, and we'll tell the others we only found a bunch of useless rocks 'n sh!t!! Don' tell no one, k?"
Now, a couple thousand years later, the new archaeologists found another sign buried but shallower. It read..."By order of the great Pharaohs we have been ordered to give notice of impending doom There is nothing to see here, and we command you to move along! Oh, and watch out for that Swiftboat dude too, he's pretty jiggy with the enemy but you'd never know it. Oops, too late! See ya' in a couple thousand years, muh man! (Egyptian fist bump)"
J/K of course, but on a serious note, I have always felt there was some grand deception going on at Gobekli Tepe, that it reveals something very disruptive and damaging to organized religion, and if it would be discovered the big religions would be caught with their pants down and a bag of money in their hands, and have a whole lot of 'splainin' to do!
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - BeyondKnowledge - 06-18-2024
I think someone knows or suspects there is evidence, in that location, of what we are told about the past is entirely wrong. Could be history is not as we are told. Could be religion is not as advertised. Someone is afraid of the information getting out.
Yes, proper archeological excavation is very slow and there have been many delays but there should have been more progress by now.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Chiefsmom - 06-19-2024
I do understand what is entailed for a dig.
I've witnessed both the good and the bad. We've had several mammoth's found here in our small town. The first, when the new highway went through and was delayed for a long time, due to CAREFUL excavation.
Most recently, when a farmer's field and culvert was going in. NOT a careful excavation. In fact, they didn't even dig up all the bones.
MSU was involved with both.
But I can't wrap my head around laying concrete over a site, and some of the other things going on. I get the tourism angle. Gotta make that money.
Just seems like bad decisions being constantly made here.
RE: Gobekli Tepe - The World May Never Know. - Byrd - 06-19-2024
(06-18-2024, 07:31 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: I've figger'd it out! Eureka!
When they were digging, they dug up a skeleton from the first generation Algore (ver 1.0), the one they used to make all the Algore clones from ever since. Buried with him was a sign which read..."The great polar ice-thingies are melting! Gimme' all your gold, trinkets and jewels, and I will command it to stop. You will eat sticks and bugs and be happy!"
When the ancient archaeologists first discovered that, they said "''F' THIS!! If we dig this guy up, we'll never hear the end of it; he'll be all up in our grilles, taxin' our wheels, and fire, and bronze 'n sh!t!!! Screw that! Just throw some more dirt on him, and we'll tell the others we only found a bunch of useless rocks 'n sh!t!! Don' tell no one, k?"
Now, a couple thousand years later, the new archaeologists found another sign buried but shallower. It read..."By order of the great Pharaohs we have been ordered to give notice of impending doom There is nothing to see here, and we command you to move along! Oh, and watch out for that Swiftboat dude too, he's pretty jiggy with the enemy but you'd never know it. Oops, too late! See ya' in a couple thousand years, muh man! (Egyptian fist bump)"
J/K of course, but on a serious note, I have always felt there was some grand deception going on at Gobekli Tepe, that it reveals something very disruptive and damaging to organized religion, and if it would be discovered the big religions would be caught with their pants down and a bag of money in their hands, and have a whole lot of 'splainin' to do!
Those darn Algore clones are everywhere!!!
But... on your serious note, there's absolutely nothing that anyone could uncover that would be "disruptive and damaging to organized religion". They've found proof that the Shroud of Turin is actually a medieval forgery, but this hasn't brought Catholicism to a crashing halt or destroyed Protestantism. Or any other religion.
Even if it was "aliens showed up" (which isn't likely but let's say they find Stargate SG1 and Jack O'Neal and Daniel Jackson standing around talking to Teal'C), that's not going to destroy the message of any religion (including Wicca, Asatru, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, Sikhism... or anything else.)
And particularly something that's 14,000 years distant. If someone came up with "we found Adam and Eve and they're actually from a planet called Romperoomia", the "people of the Book" aren't suddenly going to fall on their faces and scream that they have no reason to live because one of the foundations of their religion has been changed. Some would ignore it, some would say that the discovery was more foolin' by the devil, some would accept it and go "cool story, bro" and so forth. But your minister wouldn't quit ministering and the pope won't quit pope-ing and so forth.
(06-19-2024, 08:09 AM)Chiefsmom Wrote: I do understand what is entailed for a dig.
I've witnessed both the good and the bad. We've had several mammoth's found here in our small town. The first, when the new highway went through and was delayed for a long time, due to CAREFUL excavation.
Most recently, when a farmer's field and culvert was going in. NOT a careful excavation. In fact, they didn't even dig up all the bones.
MSU was involved with both.
But I can't wrap my head around laying concrete over a site, and some of the other things going on. I get the tourism angle. Gotta make that money.
Just seems like bad decisions being constantly made here.
Now... I haven't actually gone into the details of what's going on there, but I do know that we cover up sites to save them. Not sure about the concrete, but if there's a pad under it and supports, they could continue to dig underneath the concrete (as it appears they have done and are doing) without actually damaging anything... since the pillars and so forth seem to be not sitting on the surface but are only found after digging down into the soil for some distance.
