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I didn't particularly oppose this cooperative endeavour, but I now find myself much more in favour of it. Suddenly things make sense. Thank goodness. Loomer is a leftist rabble-rouser in disguise, playing into the emotionally reactive environment of political sensationalism that fuels the left in their violent outrage. The right is better off without her.

(10-11-2025, 07:27 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: This is true
 As witnessed right here in this forum where criticism of Trump is met with snide derision and calls to "stop". If I were to list all of the Clinton's pay to play schemes, or Obama's, it would be considered discussion. Put Trump in the same context, now it's "screaming" about my favorite villain.
 Bottom line is, Trump is corrupt. He is advantageously enriching himself from his position just like Democrats do. But you're ok with it because he claims to hate liberals, even though he "used to" be one.

No, the problem is that everyone ignores Clinton, or Bush, or Obama when it comes to their pay to play, and blatant BS, where as Trump breathing is enough to set people off. It isn’t just putting “Trump in the same context”, it’s the outright hate that he gets for doing less than other presidents have done. Without wandering too far afield, Obama deported far more people, ripped families apart (as people are saying about Trump) and no one batted an eye. Clinton did all kinds of shady crap, people say he (or they) had/have a hit list and is considered a good president by many if not most. 

It has nothing to do with Trump being corrupt, it has everything to do with him not being a politician, people being more partisan than I’ve ever seen in my life, and finding everything they possibly can to scream into the void about.

(10-11-2025, 08:14 AM)Zaphod58 Wrote: No, the problem is that everyone ignores Clinton, or Bush, or Obama when it comes to their pay to play, and blatant BS, where as Trump breathing is enough to set people off. It isn’t just putting “Trump in the same context”, it’s the outright hate that he gets for doing less than other presidents have done. Without wandering too far afield, Obama deported far more people, ripped families apart (as people are saying about Trump) and no one batted an eye. Clinton did all kinds of shady crap, people say he (or they) had/have a hit list and is considered a good president by many if not most. 

It has nothing to do with Trump being corrupt, it has everything to do with him not being a politician, people being more partisan than I’ve ever seen in my life, and finding everything they possibly can to scream into the void about.

True. Liberals don't bat an eye when their beloved, corrupted politicians blatantly commit crimes right in front of their faces. They are brainwashed.

Now I'm witnessing the same, exact behavior from the right concerning the Trump administration's sketchy policies and his constant flip flopping and lies.

(10-11-2025, 08:14 AM)Zaphod58 Wrote: It has nothing to do with Trump being corrupt

Very true words Zaphod but let there be no mistake of interpretation: if there is bought-off corruption, then it will be found, corrected, and prosecuted. And whether the left is screaming hysterically or not has absolutely nothing to do with how much the danger of such things should be guarded or investigated. That is because we're finally getting to a place in America where things like the executive branch being used to bully in nepotistic no-show-job family kickbacks don't get papered over simply because you're related to Joe Biden and he's a Democrat. It's nice to see Republicans acting with principle, rather than partisanship. Leave the double-standards to the left.

(10-11-2025, 08:28 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: Now I'm witnessing the same, exact behavior from the right concerning the Trump administration's sketchy policies and his constant flip flopping and lies.

That’s because the left, or right, change the rules to suit them and the other side decides that since it worked for them why the hell shouldn’t they do the same thing.

(10-11-2025, 07:27 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote:

(10-11-2025, 07:27 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: He is advantageously enriching himself from his position just like Democrats do. But you're ok with it because he claims to hate liberals, even though he "used to" be one.

May I assume the “you’re” you refer to is a generalization or was that actually meant to mean what it sounds like? My public political leanings are nebulous, even on a clear day… And purposely so. It’s getting harder and harder to build and maintain actual relationships with anyone these days without having to whip out a voter registration to pass muster. 

I just want to talk about airplanes and try to get to bed at a reasonable hour. 

(10-11-2025, 11:14 AM)Avicula Wrote: I just want to talk about airplanes and try to get to bed at a reasonable hour.

The Aircraft Projects forum is one of the few places left where you know what you're going to get when you read threads here. Not the crazy politics frenzy that seems everywhere now. It is like slipping in to a cool bath or peacefully tinkering with a hobby, the outside chaos slips away. It's not always my cup of tea but I appreciate that. Let's keep it that way.

(10-11-2025, 07:27 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: This is true
 As witnessed right here in this forum where criticism of Trump is met with snide derision and calls to "stop". If I were to list all of the Clinton's pay to play schemes, or Obama's, it would be considered discussion. Put Trump in the same context, now it's "screaming" about my favorite villain.
 Bottom line is, Trump is corrupt. He is advantageously enriching himself from his position just like Democrats do. But you're ok with it because he claims to hate liberals, even though he "used to" be one.

All criticism of any sitting president is not only welcome here, it's required
if we are ever to strip away the, dare I say it...., political pornography always included
in "journalism" products now....
I note... with some irony, and some grief mixed in,

there are no sources of fact within the press/media... only 'report products' which we have been innocently consuming for many, many years...

If

1. I can now be guaranteed of never finding a true - formal - "trusted simply factual" means to simply "observe" the reality in front of me. 
(It won't happen.  Collectively, and effectively, the industry operated, and largely still does operate, as an information monopoly... the broad view back is unequivocal.)

2. I wish to understand the now increasingly impactful "use of other countries need money - we're taking it" ploy....
(Part of me always thought the tax payer should be the arbiter of where his INDIVIDUAL tax dollars go.... instant plebiscite - but the thought of all those politicians crying just breaks my heart.)

3. I can't know enough, nor trust what I'm being "SHOWN."

You know what?  Many hands make light work....  If there is fact at the bones of it... WE'RE HAPPY TO SLICE OF CHUNKS OF "MEDIA" MEAT... until the facts remain.... and you realize why it's "free news."

That's but ONE reason to participate in dialogue .... you may discover something new... relevant... and although sometimes unexpected, you discover that your beloved source is just as full of shit as those they so deeply focus on.

(10-11-2025, 11:21 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: The Aircraft Projects forum is one of the few places left where you know what you're going to get when you read threads here. Not the crazy politics frenzy that seems everywhere now. It is like slipping in to a cool bath or peacefully tinkering with a hobby, the outside chaos slips away. It's not always my cup of tea but I appreciate that. Let's keep it that way.

I concur wholeheartedly. 

Of COURSE it won’t ever be entirely possible to keep politics out of some of the topics, but I would really like to think that the crowd who tend to lurk HERE are civilized enough to not stoop to the standard “Libtard vs Trumptard” pablum that keeps the rest of the internet afloat. I don’t want politics and I don’t want porn. This is the only refuge I got!!! 

Now then… About that F-117 Companion and the Green Lady… where were we?

(10-10-2025, 04:48 PM)Maxmars Wrote: I haven't been watching the press on this.... assuming it's full of alarm and grief.

Our relationships with other military forces in this regard has not changed.  I remember watching Iranian Air Force pilot trainees walking around in Texas... right before our "hostage" crisis there...

I hope no one places a bias lens all over this and sells it as some kind of doomsday signal.

I worked with a former Iranian Fighter Pilot back in the 1990's here in the USA. Nice really smart guy who was promoted into corporate HQ.  I never discussed stuff about his former country.