(09-30-2025, 09:45 PM)Halfswede Wrote: Maybe we can now stop pretending that it was all 100% safe and effective. It was not well understood and coerced on the masses. Just like some smokers never get cancer, doesn't mean there isn't a link to smoking and health problems, so I don't want to hear, "But I got jabbed 47 times and I'm fine". At least acknowledge reality.  This isn't the first one pulling the thread, but it's by far the biggest.

https://biomarkerres.biomedcentral.com/a...25-00831-w

From what I am reading it appears the older you are the more at risk you are to get cancer. What were the age groups in that study? Did they also take into consideration the participants' family history of cancers?

"Undoubtedly, cancer risk increases exponentially with age. About 60% of cancers occur in people 65 years of age or older. Furthermore, about 70% of the deaths caused by cancers occur in this stage. Therefore, cancer is a disease of old age.[3] Taking into account the increase in cancer occurrence and the quality of life among the elderly population, a special approach is necessary for the diagnosis, treatment, and survival of elderly patients with cancer."

Cancer in the Elderly: Challenges and Barriers - PMC

I welcome more mRNA covid vaccine studies and any associated health risks, but the studies have to look at all factors that could cause cancer.

Ironically, Chinese researchers have found that the way the vax alters autoimmune response in the body via a marker they can actually use to target individual cancers for elimination.

China’s Everest Medicines Rallies After Starting Clinical Trial of mRNA Cancer Vaccine

(10-01-2025, 07:53 AM)quintessentone Wrote: From what I am reading it appears the older you are the more at risk you are to get cancer. What were the age groups in that study? Did they also take into consideration the participants' family history of cancers?

"Undoubtedly, cancer risk increases exponentially with age. About 60% of cancers occur in people 65 years of age or older. Furthermore, about 70% of the deaths caused by cancers occur in this stage. Therefore, cancer is a disease of old age.[3] Taking into account the increase in cancer occurrence and the quality of life among the elderly population, a special approach is necessary for the diagnosis, treatment, and survival of elderly patients with cancer."

Cancer in the Elderly: Challenges and Barriers - PMC

I welcome more mRNA covid vaccine studies and any associated health risks, but the studies have to look at all factors that could cause cancer.

Ironically, Chinese researchers have found that the way the vax alters autoimmune response in the body via a marker they can actually use to target individual cancers for elimination.

China’s Everest Medicines Rallies After Starting Clinical Trial of mRNA Cancer Vaccine

He doesn't look old. He didn't get cancer from a vaccine but cancer can happen to anyone of any age.

(10-01-2025, 07:58 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: He doesn't look old.

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Do you know the ages of the participants in the OPs posted study?

I don't know if covid vaccines are causing any extra cancer but I think it would be a good study. If the mRna process is producing cancer i'm sure it can be fixed. The problem is it was not well tested and there were other medications that did also work that were being suppressed.

It was never about the needs of the many. It was about the need for the money.

(10-01-2025, 08:13 AM)midicon Wrote: It was never about the needs of the many. It was about the need for the money.

I disagree. How many lives were saved?

"Findings  This comparative effectiveness study found that COVID-19 vaccinations averted 2.5 million deaths during 2020-2024 (sensitivity range estimates, 1.4-4.0 million) and saved 15 million life-years (sensitivity range estimates, 7-24 million life-years). The estimated benefits had a steep age gradient."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-he...fullarticl

Again, with the age gradient factor.

"Meaning  COVID-19 vaccinations had a substantial benefit on global mortality during 2020-2024, but this benefit was mostly limited to a minority of the population of older individuals."

Global Estimates of Lives and Life-Years Saved by COVID-19 Vaccination During 2020-2024 | Health Policy | JAMA Health Forum | JAMA Network

(10-01-2025, 08:16 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I disagree. How many lives were saved?

"Findings  This comparative effectiveness study found that COVID-19 vaccinations averted 2.5 million deaths during 2020-2024 (sensitivity range estimates, 1.4-4.0 million) and saved 15 million life-years (sensitivity range estimates, 7-24 million life-years). The estimated benefits had a steep age gradient."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-he...fullarticl

Again, with the age gradient factor.

"Meaning  COVID-19 vaccinations had a substantial benefit on global mortality during 2020-2024, but this benefit was mostly limited to a minority of the population of older individuals."

Global Estimates of Lives and Life-Years Saved by COVID-19 Vaccination During 2020-2024 | Health Policy | JAMA Health Forum | JAMA Network

I disagree. How many lives were saved?

That can never be answered.
Too many variables, including NOT using medicines that did work, and the actual paying of hospitals for covid deaths (even if it was a cancer patient, that happened to have covid.)

So estimates don't mean jack here.

(10-01-2025, 09:41 AM)Chiefsmom Wrote: I disagree. How many lives were saved?

That can never be answered.
Too many variables, including NOT using medicines that did work, and the actual paying of hospitals for covid deaths (even if it was a cancer patient, that happened to have covid.)

So estimates don't mean jack here.

Well if science is to be denied because of too many variables, then no studies can ever be considered as having any empirical evidence.

(10-01-2025, 09:45 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Well if science is to be denied because of too many variables, then no studies can ever be considered as having any empirical evidence.

So why do you deny science on certain things and claim to follow the science on other things?

You can't have it both ways.