(09-18-2025, 08:44 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: What's even older are cave painting of people with spears. Yet you yourself have argued that it is right and proper for society to ban the carrying of knives or anything that may be a weapon The implication being that it would lead to a degradation of the pubic weal. Feed, fight, fuck—of the three F's, which are off-limits to society self-regulating the damaging and unconstrained exploitation thereof?

That's because I've never seen anybody stabbed to death im my life with pornography. 

But i have seen two people bleed out and die on the floor, down to being stabbed with knives. 

Again, good luck changing human nature.

Because you can't stop war and murder, you're not apt to have much luck with the likes of pornography.

Also, it was not me that banned carrying Mummys kitchen knife, even if i do agree with the law.

Possibly worth considering that unchecked violence undermines trust and stability, hence our bans on weapons.

But sex is regulated through consent laws, age limits, and protections against coercion or exploitation.

What do you imagine the online security bill is all about?

(09-18-2025, 08:54 AM)andy06shake Wrote: That's because I've never seen anybody stabbed to death im my life with pornography. 

It's an analogy andy. I'm not arguing that paper cuts from dirty magazines are a public health hazard. Although, they may be.

(09-18-2025, 08:54 AM)andy06shake Wrote: you can't stop war and murder

Yet we can enact laws to attempt to keep it out of our community. Are you saying we shouldn't try?

Your hopelessness doesn't mean you should abandon all standards. That's the kind of attitude that makes a climate where ongoing degradation and exploitation of base instinct seems impossible to prevent.

(09-18-2025, 08:49 AM)midicon Wrote: It's very simple LightAngel. I was married young as my girlfriend fell pregnant. We had three children and when we split up I had the kids. I dated a few nice women as I'm not a 'one night stand' type of person but my children always came first and well...

I have had plenty of opportunities to have relationships but I quickly got used to being alone and liked the freedom it brought me.

Nothing religious or mysterious sadly!

I love that your children always came first.

Too many people just jump from one relationship to the next, and their children get very confused because children need stability.

It is also important that you are happy because children can feel everything about their parents, but you are also happy alone so all is good.

By the way, I also think it is important that children learn that life can be hard sometimes, but they have to be children first of all and parents should protect them from the madness as much as they can because some children grow up too fast, and I don't think that is healthy for their happiness later in life.

(09-18-2025, 09:03 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: It's an analogy andy. I'm not arguing that paper cuts from dirty magazines are a public health hazard. Although, they may be.


Yet we can enact laws to attempt to keep it out of our community. Are you saying we shouldn't try?

Your hopelessness doesn't mean you should abandon all standards. That's the kind of attitude that makes a climate where ongoing degradation and exploitation of base instinct seems impossible to prevent.

We do try, hence our laws UltraBudgie. 

I dont think it's me sounding hopeless, but good luck with the personal attack.

Anything else you would like to call me?

Or shall we leave the childish name-calling alone and get on with the topic.

It isn't hopelessness to recognise limits, it's realism and common sense. 

Prohibition breeds black markets, censorship drives underground circulation, and overregulation corrodes trust.

Our goal as a society should not be sterile purity......but sustainable coexistence.

How about banning stupidity, now, wouldn't that be a sight to behold?

And there goes half the human race in the process, i should imagine.

(09-18-2025, 08:54 AM)andy06shake Wrote: [...]

Again, good luck changing human nature.

Because you can't stop war and murder, you're not apt to have much luck with the likes of pornography.

[...]

But it's not really "human nature" now isn't it?

I mean, both reproduction and violence are actually prevalent in most biological lifeform, as far as I'm concerned (and that includes plants). Have you ever heard and/or read about allelopathy?

Even mushrooms can be 'violent'.

So really, what's the point of bringing the right/left political duality in the discussion? To me, both side of the pond seems accurate. Sex and violence do share similarities, and (at least generally, I guess?) porn doesn't equate to dogfight.

Banning either violence or sex will promp a rise in criminality because of repression. There's only so much a human can do against 'heated', strong emotional responses, which both sex and violence tend to trigger.

As for the topic at hand, I think it's a non-starter. If it ever came to pass as a law, then it's taxpayers that would pay for it, and those political 'do as I say, not as I do' will most certainly continue to watch porn and/or produce it.

(09-18-2025, 09:13 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: But it's not really "human nature" now isn't it?

I mean, both reproduction and violence are actually prevalent in most biological lifeform, as far as I'm concerned (and that includes plants). Have you ever heard and/or read about allelopathy?

Even mushrooms can be 'violent'.

So really, what's the point of bringing the right/left political duality in the discussion? To me, both side of the pond seems accurate. Sex and violence do share similarities, and (at least generally, I guess?) porn doesn't equate to dogfight.

Banning either violence or sex will promp a rise in criminality because or repression. There's only so much a human can do against 'heated', strong emotional responses, which both sex and violence tend to trigger.

As for the topic at hand, I think its a non-starter. If it ever came to pass as a law, then it's taxpayers that would pay for it, and those political 'do as I say, not as I do' will most certainly continue to watch porn and/or produce it.

Sex could not be more about human nature.

And pornography is about sex. 

I think you're calling it with it being a "non-starter" but it might be more accurate to say it's counterproductive to education and consent.

Possibly worth keeping in mind that sex, at its core, is cooperative, requiring consent and mutual participation if you are doing it right.

Violence, on the other hand, is inherently adversarial and thrives on domination, harm, and destruction.

Our respective societies regulate sex to ensure it remains consensual, but it regulates violence to prevent it altogether.

That's the key distinction imho.

(09-18-2025, 09:11 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Our goal as a society should not be sterile purity......but sustainable coexistence.

Coexistence? Why? Let the pornographers move to California. Coexist over there. There's no mandate to require one to smile and be accepting when an economy of puerile laissez-faire sexual degeneracy turns culture into a cesspit. Perhaps the UK must accept it, but America is structured differently. As I said upthread:

(09-17-2025, 10:19 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Diversity in law between states is necessary for a free republic that is a crucible of democracy.

(09-18-2025, 09:25 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Coexistence? Why? Let the pornographers move to California. Coexist over there. There's no mandate to require one to smile and be accepting when an economy of puerile laissez-faire sexual degeneracy turns culture into a cesspit. Perhaps the UK must accept it, but America is structured differently. As I said upthread:

So your grand solution is to exile pornographers to California? LoL

Charming simplicity, but utterly unserious and disingenuous.

Porn is a global, online phenomenon.

Geography doesn't contain it.

Waving it off as "degeneracy" doesn’t make it vanish.

It just drives it underground.

Your nation's structure is indeed different, but it's also built on free expression and speech.

And your logic carves an exception so wide that it would seem to undermine those principles.

Culture isn't a "cesspit" because of consensual adult entertainment.

It's degraded by moral panic dressed as policy.

(09-18-2025, 08:31 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Erotic imagery is pretty much nearly as old as human creativity, so....

Light erotic imagery can be very creative, and I don't find them degrading if they are made in a certain artistic way.

This topic is very grey because there are so many different ways to look at it.

(09-18-2025, 09:35 AM)andy06shake Wrote: utterly unserious and disingenuous

I am being serious and genuine.

I have no specific global solutions to present, I am only championing local action. It is, after all, the peaceful evolution of society: awaken individual perception, make local change, affect state policy, allow the nation as a whole to evolve. No shortcuts.

And yes, I am in favour of internal migration and freedom of movement.

Other serious and genuine solutions that are presented elsewhere in the world involve rooftops and gravity. I am not advocating that. Are you saying there is no middle ground?