(08-14-2025, 01:45 PM)sahgwa Wrote: there it is again!
A second source dictating to me, the viewer
WHY YOU SHOULDNT (LIKE DALI) EITHER

wow
Not cool, not open and not very liberal.

Actually, I was communicating the Quantum12 when you interjected yourself into our exploration of this artist.

You are free to interpret his artwork as you please, it makes no difference to me. 

Again, I prefer to understand the artist and their messaging so I can understand the artwork.

(08-14-2025, 01:49 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Actually, I was communicating the Quantum12 when you interjected yourself into our exploration of this artist.

You are free to interpret his artwork as you please, it makes no difference to me. 

Again, I prefer to understand the artist and their messaging so I can understand the artwork.

I also enjoy understanding the artist, but I draw the line at making value judgements like you have shared twice, like listing alleged crimes and saying why 'you shouldn't like him or his art' either.

This strikes me as pretty totalitarian in its own way and is not really 'understanding' the artist, its more 'condemning' them.

(08-14-2025, 01:51 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I also enjoy understanding the artist, but I draw the line at making value judgements like you have shared twice, like listing alleged crimes and saying why 'you shouldn't like him or his art' either.

This strikes me as pretty totalitarian in its own way and is not really 'understanding' the artist, its more 'condemning' them.

That's a personal choice whether to condemn or understand.

I choose to understand.

Here's more about him, and you are free to ignore it all.

"The Hitler obsession began years earlier. “I often dreamed of Hitler as a woman,” Dalí supposedly said,

Quote:His flesh, which I imagined as whiter than white, ravished me. I painted a Hitlerian wet nurse sitting kneeling in a puddle of water….
There was no reason for me to stop telling one and all that to me Hitler embodied the perfect image of the great masochist who would unleash a world war solely for the pleasure of losing and burying himself beneath the rubble."

"The painting Dalí alludes to, The Weaning of Furniture-Nutrition (view here), is the work that first raised Breton’s ire, since “Dalí had originally painted a swastika on the nurse’s armband,” notes art historian Robin Adèle Greeley, “which the Surrealists later forced him to paint out.” Dalí later claimed that his Hitler paintings “subvert fascist ideologies,” Greeley writes: “Breton and company appear not to have appreciated a fellow Surrealist suggesting that there were connections to be made between bourgeois childhoods such as their own and the family life of the Nazi dictator.” Likewise, his creepy dream-language above is hardly more straightforward than the paintings, though he did write in The Unspeakable Confessions of Salvador Dalí, “Hitler turned me on in the highest.”"

When The Surrealists Expelled Salvador Dalí for "the Glorification of Hitlerian Fascism" (1934) | Open Culture

"Dali was known for his extravagance and creativity across different mediums. He was an artist who explored various themes in his art, including religion and mortality. In many of his works, he incorporated symbolism that required interpretation to fully understand their meaning."

(08-14-2025, 01:58 PM)quintessentone Wrote: That's a personal choice whether to condemn or understand.

I choose to understand.

Here's more about him, and you are free to ignore it all.

"The Hitler obsession began years earlier. “I often dreamed of Hitler as a woman,” Dalí supposedly said,

"The painting Dalí alludes to, The Weaning of Furniture-Nutrition (view here), is the work that first raised Breton’s ire, since “Dalí had originally painted a swastika on the nurse’s armband,” notes art historian Robin Adèle Greeley, “which the Surrealists later forced him to paint out.” Dalí later claimed that his Hitler paintings “subvert fascist ideologies,” Greeley writes: “Breton and company appear not to have appreciated a fellow Surrealist suggesting that there were connections to be made between bourgeois childhoods such as their own and the family life of the Nazi dictator.” Likewise, his creepy dream-language above is hardly more straightforward than the paintings, though he did write in The Unspeakable Confessions of Salvador Dalí, “Hitler turned me on in the highest.”"

When The Surrealists Expelled Salvador Dalí for "the Glorification of Hitlerian Fascism" (1934) | Open Culture

"Dali was known for his extravagance and creativity across different mediums. He was an artist who explored various themes in his art, including religion and mortality. In many of his works, he incorporated symbolism that required interpretation to fully understand their meaning."

You'll note I haven't explicitly said these things are false, I have merely questioned your repeated fixation with them, and the also repeated attempted dictation of how one 'should' think or discuss the artist that you have shared. Its like you are trying to purposely put people off of his artwork.  But again, that's my subjective response based on the obvious patronising article and video you have shared thus far.

(08-14-2025, 02:10 PM)sahgwa Wrote: You'll note I haven't explicitly said these things are false, I have merely questioned your repeated fixation with them, and the also repeated attempted dictation of how one 'should' think or discuss the artist that you have shared. Its like you are trying to purposely put people off of his artwork.  But again, that's my subjective response based on the obvious patronising article and video you have shared thus far.

What does the last sentence in my post state?

It has to do with understanding his symbolism to understand the messaging in the art piece. To do that, we need to understand the artist and his life to understand the symbolism.

(08-14-2025, 02:12 PM)quintessentone Wrote: What does the last sentence in my post state?

It has to do with understanding his symbolism to understand the messaging in the art piece. To do that, we need to understand the artist and his life to understand the symbolism.

I would like to take you at your word you are just trying to understand him, but the facts are that the subjective appearance of your post history does not point towards mere understanding, when your first post was not about his artwork it was some lady listing shocking alleged crimes using the language of 'how we should' do anything, and a second video dictating why 'we shouldn't' like him either.
If you had shared other sources with less emotional slant I would probably have not gotten that impression.

(08-14-2025, 02:29 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote:  

I like the one with the phallic object :D lol

(08-14-2025, 02:26 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I would like to take you at your word you are just trying to understand him, but the facts are that the subjective appearance of your post history does not point towards mere understanding, when your first post was not about his artwork it was some lady listing shocking alleged crimes using the language of 'how we should' do anything, and a second video dictating why 'we shouldn't' like him either.
If you had shared other sources with less emotional slant I would probably have not gotten that impression.

Well, I'm trying to understand the artist and his symbolism through others' viewpoints of the man. Whatever you are trying to do that's your business.

You obviously missed the more interesting takes from the sources I posted relating to his work being the gateway to understand mental illness and creativity, right? To not throw out the artist with the bath water, etc. So what does that tell me about your bias in only pointing out the language from those sources that somehow offends your sensibilities when it comes to Dali?

(08-14-2025, 02:33 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Well, I'm trying to understand the artist and his symbolism through others' viewpoints of the man. Whatever you are trying to do that's your business.

You obviously missed the more interesting takes from the sources I posted relating to his work being the gateway to understand mental illness and creativity, right? To not throw out the artist with the bath water, etc. So what does that tell me about your bias in only pointing out the language from those sources that somehow offends your sensibilities when it comes to Dali?

it means I only had time to skim read the article and read the title of the second video and both were very condemnatory. 
The only thing you posted that was interesting in a non bias fashion was his personal interview and the medical information about mental illness which I have not gotten to because I am working :D
But surely you can see that what you have posted and chosen to focus on presents a negative light almost as if done purposefully?