(07-31-2025, 04:08 PM)Solvedit Wrote: Do you believe touching lead removes more lead than what's happening in the short video clip above?  It's 12 seconds long.

I'm going to have to school you a bit and I promise, I'm not trying to be a dick.

Porkchop and I work together at the same place and have annual training on handling carcinogenic materials. I've been here considerably longer and used to work in an area where I handled and used lead every day all day.

There are 3 ways for carcinogenic materials to enter the body: absorption, inhalation and ingestion. Lead does not absorb into the skin which is why gun ranges are required to utilize downdraft HEPA ventilation systems to minimize inhalation. While said systems won't completely eliminate airborne particulates, they do reduce the particulate saturation to what would be considered a safe level by all Federal agencies. Which leaves ingestion, wash your hands after shooting or handling lead and keep your fingers out of your mouth and you'll be fine.

(08-01-2025, 07:27 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: Did I ever say I was afraid of any of it?

Technically you said it "really matters."

Quote:f you are having a hard time understanding the information I am giving you, please by all means, ask a question.

I did. Why are you disregarding airborne particulates from the muzzle blast? What will mobilize more lead? Touching the base of an FMJ, or blasting it with high temperature, high pressure gas?

Quote:But do not assume something about me when you have the least amount of knowledge on the subject at hand. 

Then explain why you overlooked airborne particulates.

(08-01-2025, 07:38 AM)Moon68 Wrote: There are 3 ways for carcinogenic materials to enter the body: absorption, inhalation and ingestion. Lead does not absorb into the skin which is why gun ranges are required to utilize downdraft HEPA ventilation systems to minimize inhalation. While said systems won't completely eliminate airborne particulates, they do reduce the particulate saturation to what would be considered a safe level by all Federal agencies. Which leaves ingestion, wash your hands after shooting or handling lead and keep your fingers out of your mouth and you'll be fine.

From nssf.org:

Quote:What the EPA says: On November 12, 2008, the EPA issued a final rule that revised the National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) for lead and associated ambient air lead monitoring requirements. The rule strengthened the requirement to allow not more than 0.15-microgram of lead in the air per cubic meter as total suspended particles. This amount will be measured as a three-month rolling average.

The rules were strengthened in 2008.  Assuming good compliance, many people may still have higher exposure from before 2008.  Lead can take a long time to leave the body.

I don't have any medical education but I have read that blood tests are not a reliable measure of long-term exposure because the lead doesn't remain in the blood for more than 24 hours unless poisoning is severe.  

There is not no exposure, there is less exposure with the new rules.  

Taking DMSA without a drink would work while heading for exposure because it hasn't reached the brain yet.

(08-01-2025, 11:55 AM)Solvedit Wrote: Technically you said it "really matters."
I did. Why are you disregarding airborne particulates from the muzzle blast? What will mobilize more lead? Touching the base of an FMJ, or blasting it with high temperature, high pressure gas?
Then explain why you overlooked airborne particulates.

No, I said it "only really matters if you are pulling bullet" in regards to FMJ for TMJ, but that is nowhere close to me saying I am "afraid of lead". You're really grasping at straws here.

Have you not read, or paid attention to, anything I or Moon68 have been about indoor range air filtration? We have stated, several times, the requirements indoor ranges have for air filtration systems. We work with heavy metals every single day, combined probably longer than you have been alive. The minute amount of lead you can be exposed to while shooting is nothing compared to the carcinogens we are faced with every single day for 8+ hours a day. 

I'm done arguing with someone that read one article about "lead exposure" in shooting but knows nothing more about it than that, and refuses to listen to those that do know more than they do on the subject.

(08-01-2025, 12:17 PM)PorkChop96 Wrote: No, I said it "only really matters if you are pulling bullet" in regards to FMJ for TMJ, but that is nowhere close to me saying I am "afraid of lead". 

Why would pulling bullets out and touching the base matter more than blasting the base with high pressure, high temperature gas, which then gets blasted out sideways while the bullet is in the path of the escaping gases?  
 
The ventilation (not filtration) systems can't be perfect.  The gases and particulates probably contaminate everything you bring and wear.  

As for your daily exposure, I hope you talk to a doctor if you get a little short-tempered and irrational.

(08-01-2025, 12:17 PM)PorkChop96 Wrote: We work with heavy metals every single day, combined probably longer than you have been alive. The minute amount of lead you can be exposed to while shooting is nothing compared to the carcinogens we are faced with every single day for 8+ hours a day. 

I'm done arguing with someone that read one article about "lead exposure" in shooting but knows nothing more about it than that, and refuses to listen to those that do know more than they do on the subject.

PorkChop96 Wrote:If all you are going to do is fearmonger over lead and try to hock this DMSA crap, then I guess we are all wasting our time here.

I'm sure you do work with heavy metals every day and thank you for your kind observations. 

I hope our other readers consider searching on DMSA.

(08-01-2025, 02:45 PM)Solvedit Wrote: Why would pulling bullets out and touching the base matter more than blasting the base with high pressure, high temperature gas, which then gets blasted out sideways while the bullet is in the path of the escaping gases?  
 
The ventilation (not filtration) systems can't be perfect.  The gases and particulates probably contaminate everything you bring and wear.  

As for your daily exposure, I hope you talk to a doctor if you get a little short-tempered and irrational.

You are so focused on being right, which you are far from being, about something you are not looking at the bigger picture and listening to those that know more than you do about the subject matter. 

The systems in place for indoor ranges are filtration systems.......how ignorant can you be? 

I get blood tests several times a year, for other reason, and have never seen an increase in any heavy metal levels in my body. But again, nobody needs that stupid DMSA crap you are trying to hock, it is useless unless you are sitting there licking lead blocks. IDK what delusional world you are living in but you should try to get out of there before you really hurt yourself.

I wish you luck

Here I thought this thread was about some supplement or disease.  Very confusing OP. 
I shot a bit in the Army, and kind of missed it when I got out but not much. I don't think being so concerned with a prophylactic chemical/supplement to mitigate lead from ammunition and shooting is really necessary, for all the reasons above. Just chiming in because this thread was confusing for awhile. 

I do miss the smell from all the gun smoke and brass.  I went shooting a couple times as a civilian and boy is the ammo a rip off.

(08-05-2025, 08:08 AM)sahgwa Wrote: Here I thought this thread was about some supplement or disease.  

That is exactly what this thread is, this guy trying to sell some useless supplement that does nothing. 


Shooting is a lot more fun when you are not the one footing the bill for the ammo.

(08-05-2025, 08:10 AM)PorkChop96 Wrote: That is exactly what this thread is, this guy trying to sell some useless supplement that does nothing. 


Shooting is a lot more fun when you are not the one footing the bill for the ammo.

It did smell fishy.

And you bet your ass.  If I had known what those .556 rounds cost I would have 'required more marksmanship' :D  'Sorry Sergeant I am doing my best' rofl