Starting this off another thread, names omitted because not relevant

Q: Can one's personality crafted by culture/upbringing etc. actually not be crafted by the person themselves? 
A: Crafting it yourself places you on the outside, how will you live when there is no common ground?

Q: Is one's individual spiritual/intellectual/heart path common?
A:  "for where two or three are gathered..."

Q: "The hardest walk is walking alone, but it’s also the walk that makes you the strongest." - Unknown
A: there is no such thing as being alone

Many people craft their own personalities and goes against the flow

It's easy to spot them in crowd, faces painted and red noses


who needs sleep anyways

(06-30-2025, 05:00 AM)Sirius Wrote: Many people craft their own personalities and goes against the flow

It's easy to spot them in crowd, faces painted and red noses

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/clown.png]

And it is those painted faces and red noses that scream "Look at ME, Look at ME!" The stealing of energy punished if attention and acceptance is not given.

And for those who wear their pride on the inside, it is obvious that Insecurities fuel those Clowns, not the natural strength of a grown Persona over time from a content heart and mind that can shine without using Smoke and Mirrors.

Yeah, I don't really know where that came but I can continue with it. I recall something being said about Nephilim being clowns and then there is Pennywise and the Joker from pop culture. Fallen angels, I don't think anyone should ever be pushed that far.

Not sure about Pennywise though, will ask the space spider queen about that 

(06-30-2025, 07:39 AM)Nerb Wrote: And it is those painted faces and red noses that scream "Look at ME, Look at ME!" The stealing of energy punished if attention and acceptance is not given.

And for those who wear their pride on the inside, it is obvious that Insecurities fuel those Clowns, not the natural strength of a grown Persona over time from a content heart and mind that can shine without using Smoke and Mirrors.

I want to agree with you, but a lifetime of living with broken people from cruelty that never had a chance makes me not want to judge the clowns. They got pushed out of something.

(06-30-2025, 07:46 AM)Sirius Wrote: I want to agree with you, but a lifetime of living with broken people from cruelty that never had a chance makes me not want to judge the clowns. They got pushed out of something.

Being "pushed out of something" is very different from being dragged "into" something. More often than not, the insecure will try to control the perception of others to satisfy their own insecurities and justify their own clown worlds me thinks. A bit like an alcoholic who wants us to have a drink with them instead of them not having the drink themselves.

We must support those who suffer in a way that helps them grow strong for themselves with an understanding of perspectives that afford them an educated choice, not one that says "do as I do because it's right". It's often very hard playing the part of a Time Machine for others out of kindness and consideration to instill the visions another needs to maybe take their next positive step.

I'm sorry you had/have known broken souls in your life, most of us do and some of us have been one too, but to be the chance needed and offer wisdom instead of sympathy is an evolution of the self for both parties. Cruel to be kind 'n all but with the addition of a place to land on the other side of an emotional leapfrog can be a blessing in disguise for those prepared to take a leap of Faith.

And being Judgemental is part of the human condition. We all do it to some degree and have done since we were squeezed out. So personally, I try to at least afford perspective to go along with opinions as the reason for some of the negative things instead of just pointing a finger. "Problem, Reaction, Solution" isn't just for TPTB and can be powerful to those who are lost to see the "Trinity" in everything.

We have the potential to be little time machines. Past, Present, Future, all at the same moment.

The Clowns are often afforded just the Illusions to play with, whether they are messed up from inside or outside and need a better grounding to bring them (back) into Common Reality where we can all enjoy eachother a whole lot more with a lot less friction.

I am left thinking this: We must try to point at the path more than the personas. It came from there and can go here, thus playing the part of the metaphorical frog to leap over as another continues their journey with understanding of their own chosen path.

Peace, Path, Persona.

(06-30-2025, 08:47 AM)Nerb Wrote: I'm sorry you had/have known broken souls in your life

I am left thinking this: We must try to point at the path more than the personas

just to point out that this applies to institutions as well as individuals

surely you've seen college graduates that show more signs of groupthink indoctrination rather than being trained as free-thinking out-of-the-box problem solvers, blazing new frontiers

and education is to some degree a closed ecosystem, self reenforcing. maybe 20% that? more in some areas, fields, and applications

the top-trained 'elite' of various cloisters have the risk of not being able to interface or consider ideas that are not generated by their peer groups. jargon, predicates, formalism, etc. "birds of a feather"

yet how to create free-thinkers? any plan or method is self-contradictory, as it inculcates its own basis. you need to train people to discard such plans, and find their own, yet be versed in the language and methodology interpretable by others

yes, it's about going up to the mountaintop, alone, and seeing what no one else has seen. but it's also about being able to come back down, bearing tables.

(06-30-2025, 09:34 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: just to point out that this applies to institutions as well as individuals

surely you've seen college graduates that show more signs of groupthink indoctrination rather than being trained as free-thinking out-of-the-box problem solvers, blazing new frontiers

and education is to some degree a closed ecosystem, self reenforcing. maybe 20% that? more in some areas, fields, and applications

the top-trained 'elite' of various cloisters have the risk of not being able to interface or consider ideas that are not generated by their peer groups. jargon, predicates, formalism, etc. "birds of a feather"

yet how to create free-thinkers? any plan or method is self-contradictory, as it inculcates its own basis. you need to train people to discard such plans, and find their own, yet be versed in the language and methodology interpretable by others

yes, it's about going up to the mountaintop, alone, and seeing what no one else has seen. but it's also about being able to come back down, bearing tables.

There is an answer to your question and the problem is well known. We spoke about Mosquito's the other day, the problem is they are just then another elite group

(06-30-2025, 09:34 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: yes, it's about going up to the mountaintop, alone, and seeing what no one else has seen. but it's also about being able to come back down, bearing tables.

That is a very poignant and powerful observation. There is an interesting perspective there which I'd like to add based on personal experience.

It may also be like going into the pits of hell alone, to feel what nobody else can without self destruction. At that moment, Ascension begins. With all the momentum gathered going down there, it is possible to use it for potential on the way back up. And when you reach the surface, YOU CAN FLY and just keep going way above where the start point may have been.

I likened it to a Rollercoaster ride over many years, fearing what was next because it was so dark and dispairing, but I was bloody-minded and made a conscious decision to take what was learned and get the heck out, it was enlightening and uplifting and gave birth to a brand new inner strength.

Those lessons are what I now have as Armour and can also use as guidance for those around me, and they are REAL.

Even The Devil can inadvertantly teach us the way if we remain strong enough to fool him into providing the lessons.

(06-30-2025, 11:06 AM)Nerb Wrote: Even The Devil can inadvertantly teach us the way if we remain strong enough to fool him into providing the lessons.

Such a horrid thread and I'm still laughing... Are your dreams as colorful as your art? When I astral project the world is always in shadow. I think it's time to pay the Dark Lord a visit again, I have some questions about this show we are putting on. I was telling a friend recently divination is impossible, it's just death all the time. Maybe the trick is just to go straight to hell