(06-20-2025, 12:28 AM)Sirius Wrote: I guess i deserved that, i don't know, feels insulting for some reason.

I didn't mean to insult you and I'm sorry if that's how you felt, but please consider what it's like to be told I cannot tell the difference between Fantasy and Reality?

You are smart, and most here are also. It's why we're on this site, but please take care how far you go with your imagination and don't get so far out that you lose your footing on useful Common Reality to dwell just in the land of Fantasy. Save that for fun with friends...my friend.

Semantic drift in action.

As to fantasy, well that is a form of imagination, your inner world where reality is shaped by desire, emotion, or thought rather than by physical law.

If you imagine going to the shop but don’t, i suppose that could be a mild fantasy.

But more like a mental possibility not acted upon. 

Something to consider, imagination is the root of fantasy, but not all imagination is fantastical. 

Ultimately, you could argue all day about common sense being a more convincing fantasy, though I think its a non-starter.
 

Quote:You are smart, and most here are also. It's why we're on this site, but please take care how far you go with your imagination and don't get so far out that you lose your footing on useful Common Reality to dwell just in the land of Fantasy. Save that for fun with friends...my friend.

I agree here, common sense has its utility and shouldn't be dismissed. After all, it seems balance is the ideal state of any system.

Especially the balance between conservatism (effort at maintaining current values) and integration (adding/changing values, whether forcefully from external factors or voluntarily).

Fantasy does appear to be the driving force of the integration part of human species, actualizing, or the attempt to do so, has propelled technology to the next level throughout history.

(06-20-2025, 08:16 AM)Nerb Wrote: I didn't mean to insult you and I'm sorry if that's how you felt, but please consider what it's like to be told I cannot tell the difference between Fantasy and Reality?

You are smart, and most here are also. It's why we're on this site, but please take care how far you go with your imagination and don't get so far out that you lose your footing on useful Common Reality to dwell just in the land of Fantasy. Save that for fun with friends...my friend.

btw, consider the irony in your post above, also consider that perhaps I know what I'm doing and perhaps I was trying to show you a kindness. Of course the more convenient reality for you would be to live in the fantasy that I'm in a fantasy. It's all so silly. Also consider that I'm told daily that I can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, in fact there are concentrated efforts at disproving my reality. Debunking's, ridiculous. So no, I didn't consider that anything I said would upset anyone

I still don't understand why you came in here and got yourself worked up? Is there something you want to get off your chest? I'm prolific poster, you know me, you know how I act the things I say and do so does everyone else. I find this all to be a little bit from the left field to be honest and the provocation is unnecessary.

(06-20-2025, 01:06 PM)Sirius Wrote: .... and the provocation is unnecessary.

there was no provocation. Don't be so sensitive and don't try to put words in my mouth to justify any.

Have a really great evening. Not sarcasm, but best wishes.

(06-20-2025, 10:03 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Fantasy does appear to be the driving force of the integration part of human species, actualizing, or the attempt to do so, has propelled technology to the next level throughout history.

There is also an obsession with creation, fanciful thoughts are not enough.

(06-20-2025, 11:04 PM)Sirius Wrote: There is also an obsession with creation, fanciful thoughts are not enough.

That does seem to be the case, when we look at the thin line between genius and insanity.

And mythos seems to be a directing force for those technological advancements. We get the story before reality.

Also, lot of ideas that were formerly called pseudo-science, then were observed and evidenced with later technology.

Tidbits throughout history that suggests fantasy isn't just fantasy.

A funny thing that seems to be common to all us, is our inability to be in the present. We are either thinking about the past or the future, however near or far, it isn’t the present. 
For example sometimes a memory will pop up that was traumatic to us to some degree, we then begin to react physically and measurably to that memory, evoking feelings and emotions that get us all riled up. All of this is fantasy. 
Not because it didn’t happen, but because it isn’t happening. If we aren’t careful we can fall into a loop, re-living the trauma over and over. Our body’s release the same stress hormones as if we were really living it and this in turn will have a genuine negative impact on our general health. 
To a limited extent it can be useful to us, so we learn from past events and can make better decisions. But that should be the end of it and more often than not it isn’t. 
The good news being the same is true for positive experiences, we can remember some joyful moments or great successes and feel great. 

Then there are the times we switch and dwell on the future, and all the psychological ups and downs that arise with those thoughts. 
Non of this is our reality. The only reality is the here and now, the present moment. The rest of it is in our heads, our imagination. So someone might argue “well what happened to me was very real” true enough, but how you feel about it is subjective, how it affects you comes down to your own psychology, beliefs and perspective. The same event might be experienced by someone else entirely differently. 

Our imagination is the medium by which interact with reality. It is this quality that makes us human, not consciousness, all life is aware and conscious, humans though, through our imagination are able to construct and rearrange our mental reality, thus making us creative beings who can in turn shape our physical reality.