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The geography of Eden
#11
(05-23-2025, 06:34 PM)Byrd Wrote: I think you need to decide which author of Genesis was correct.  AFIK there are three, and there's some differences in them.  

Genetics tells a better story, IMHO.


Then I'd better be more precise, and specify the author of ch2 vv10-14

And, as I tried to explain, I'm not interested in whether he was correct. I'm only interested in establishing what exactly he was trying to say, what area he was thinking about.

I am very happy to accept the verdict of genetics, but I see the possibility that "Turco-Iranian plateau as a homeland" might fit into it.
#12
well the scripture is both metaphor and literally true because looking at evidence in the present is no way to find what actual history is, you will only find lies and ego, works of the fallen, because the world is rewritten mightily with each application of gods will, much of which is documented much of which is not, this is perceived as timeline jumps perhaps or not noticed at all or seen as miraculous translation, see the mandela effect which gives those with eyes to perceive it their own evidence, not provable by so-called historical record or objective haha-truth, thusly the geography of eden did exist literally but the world of its objective existence has moved through the mirror darkly yet truth of it remains in parable and metaphor as gods works are eternal, and wisdom can be found in their study, see also the wandering through the desert of exodus which describes this type of migration between worldlines.
#13
I take the biblical view and I believe that the original Eden is still supernaturally protected.  Even if someone thinks that they might have found its general location, they can’t access it.
#14
(05-24-2025, 07:15 AM)DISRAELI Wrote: Then I'd better be more precise, and specify the author of ch2 vv10-14

And, as I tried to explain, I'm not interested in whether he was correct. I'm only interested in establishing what exactly he was trying to say, what area he was thinking about.

I am very happy to accept the verdict of genetics, but I see the possibility that "Turco-Iranian plateau as a homeland" might fit into it.

I think you're dealing with multiple authors with oral tradition (remember, these weren't actually recorded until the time of Ptolemy I (300 BC -- they weren't wandering around with these books in hand)) and remembering what the rabbi/grandfather told them.

So one gives one location and another gives a different location because that's what they were told.  Names get confused or skipped, details get lost.  

Wikipedia lists what is thought to be the most plausible ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_..._locations