Understanding Christian Zionism and Newton

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

 If you understand the concept of what is driving these times. an understand that the modern-day Israel is an Anglo American construction and not a Jewish one thins get clearer. 

 
Isn't that what under 35 anti-Israel kids and NYC mayoral candidates would say?

That's antizionist propaganda... with some truth to it.

The argument therein is Palestinians and Muslims are the real descendents of the Levant, which is even greater bullshit. Even the Philistines absorbed into other cultures like Canaanite (Phoenician) and ISREAL (Paleohebrew).

IN FACT, The Modern Samaritan community (neither Jewish nor Muslim) in Nablus and Holon are the group with the most DIRECT lineage to the Levant. They are the ones CLOSEST when they say they are descended from Ancient Israelites. And they are the only ones genetics backs up.

But 75% of Jews are Ashkenazi, which has genetic bottlenecks and origins to black death era Germany.

The genetic similarity among modern Ashkenazi Jews is so pronounced that it's comparable to the genetic similarity found among individuals in a 14th-century Jewish community in Erfurt, Germany.

And a more detailed explanation.
 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24104924/

The origins of Ashkenazi Jews remain highly controversial. Like Judaism, mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in the Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history.

Certainly not a new Anglo-American thing, but also not as ancient as one would have you believe.

But there's a reason for that. EXILE. A lot of fucking exile and assimilation and fear of being Jewish. The perils of genetic memory. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

Following the Babylonian exile and various historical events, Jews from the Levant dispersed to different regions, including Egypt, Babylonia, and other parts of the Roman Empire. Later, during the diaspora, they established communities in Europe, particularly in Ashkenaz (parts of modern Germany and France) and Sepharad (the Iberian Peninsula). Some also migrated to areas within the Ottoman Empire, including parts of North Africa and the Levant itself. 

So putting all available data together you can assume the following:

The far flung diaspora went many places as kingdoms and caliphates took control of the Levant, one of these exiled lineages that slowed to a trickle (a mere handful keeping the tradition alive) found itself in Germany. And the only controversy there is they started recruiting other women to lead new matriarchal lineages to revive a community of Judaism.

That's why Ashkenazi DNA goes back to Germany and seemingly no further than the black death, which itself played a role in the post bottleneck assimilation.

While it might not be tracable past 1356, something brought the practice of Judaism to Germany. It doesn't just show up after being lost for centuries.

Another thing that is brought up is the revival of Hebrew in the late 1800s, but the Torah has always been printed in Hebrew.  The late 1800s just saw a revival of the language into something beyond just the language the Torah was in. Which sparked a revolution in identity among Jews (made people want to learn Hebrew) and gives an impression of inauthenticity.

[Sirius]

Can one's personality crafted by culture/upbringing etc. actually not be crafted by the person themselves? 

Crafting it yourself places you on the outside, how will you live when there is no common ground?

[quintessentone]

Crafting it yourself places you on the outside, how will you live when there is no common ground?

Is one's individual spiritual/intellectual/heart path common?

[Sirius]

Is one's individual spiritual/intellectual/heart path common?

 "for where two or three are gathered..."

[quintessentone]

 "for where two or three are gathered..."

"The hardest walk is walking alone, but it’s also the walk that makes you the strongest." - Unknown

[Sirius]

"The hardest walk is walking alone, but it’s also the walk that makes you the strongest." - Unknown

there is no such thing as being alone




edit: as you folks where, i'm going to bail on this thread

[quintessentone]

there is no such thing as being alone




edit: as you folks where, i'm going to bail on this thread

There is such a thing as a government walking alone and not putting their missiles or boots on the ground in foreign lands because of lobbying/money/bribes etc.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4u7wv2fxz4&t=505s]

Marjorie Taylor Greene - The Truth About AIPAC and the Israel Lobby

Thomas Massie reveals every Congressman has 'AIPAC Buddy".

[annonentity]

This is complex and has as many layers as an onion. I think that all the wars going on have an element of fabrication. mainly because they are a great avenue to bring in changes which under normal times would not be enforceable.
 for instance, why do data center's consume 20 percent of Irelands electrical supply? why is Ukraine and Russia building them as fast as they can, and they are not getting targeted to destroy infrastructure. As is iran and the same applies. Because whoever is pulling the strings has told them to leave this essential infrastructure in. The same as the Electrical supply in Ukraine which in Kiev is experiencing ten or so hours of blackouts a day but cell phone and internet reception remains as it always was.
  This is comparable to the "Do not bomb" orders of WW!! and the funding of the third Reich by the major bankers. It is timed and fabricated with the essential personal in the top positions of every country controlling the operation.
  We could argue that the Sha of Irian was removed when he started to ask some difficult questions of the US elite, and there was a revolution, and he died. Sadam was ok , the US gave hin the weapons of mass destruction to use on Iran, but when he went his own way  and decided to invade another country for money, he also went the same way.  I am not suggesting the Wars are not real but they are being guided by some hands which have their hands on the money pie ,and these people seem to come out on top whatever happens.

[WallFlowerActive]

the belief that Christians are biblically obligated to support the modern political state of Israel. At first glance,

I would think as believing in democracy you would support Isreal that has human rights not even conceived by its neighbors, and is a democracy where many of its enemies are a theocracy.

like it or not.  Israel is at war with enemies that if gained control would strip away human rights and even the most basic elements of democracy.  It’s not that hard to see Isreal is fighting theocracy to maintain its democracy.

[UltraBudgie]

In recent decades, a growing number of American evangelicals have embraced what’s commonly called Christian Zionism—the belief that Christians are biblically obligated to support the modern political state of Israel.

how do you know they support israel because of zionism? maybe they are just like "gee golly whiz israel is so great and fair to all religions and nice to everyone and we love them because they're democracy and we're democracy and that's just peachy so we're besties", rather than "israel sucks and murders kids and lies all the time but i guess we'll keep giving them money and votes in favour them because god says so"?

is there like a poll or something?