So China gets one billion contract to build Canada's ferries, you hosers

[putnam6]

Sounds like somebody owns Canada, Seaspan knew their own government wouldn't subsidize and didnt even make a bid so it could employ Canadians, that money would stay in Canada, and be seed money for Canadians

Carney said they get a free order of potstickers every Wednesday

Canada just handed $1 billion in taxpayer money, at below-market interest to build ferries in Communist China, a country that bans our beef, spies on our MPs, and jails its own citizens for speaking out... and the Liberal minister in charge can’t even say whether China is a dictatorship when asked by​​​​​​​ the press

I get America, it doesn't need the contract anyway, but is China the only alternative? wonder if they will be tracking and remote access like Spain and Portugal's solar panels did, or was that debunked?
Regardless, what about the EU or even India? 

What bunch of hoser's

• Domestic Shipyards in Canada:
  • Seaspan Shipyards (British Columbia): Seaspan is a major shipbuilding company in Canada, particularly known for its work on federal government contracts. However, the post and related discussions suggest that no Canadian shipbuilder, including Seaspan, submitted bids for B.C. Ferries’ latest vessel-construction contract. This could be due to higher labor costs, lower productivity compared to international competitors, or other economic factors.
    
  • Irving Shipbuilding (Nova Scotia): Another significant Canadian shipyard, Irving has experience with large-scale vessel construction, including military and commercial ships. However, similar economic and competitive pressures might limit its feasibility for this specific project.
    
• International Shipyards Outside China:
  • Greek Shipyards (Perama and Salamis): The Wikipedia entry on ferries mentions that many double-ended ferries are constructed in Greece, particularly in the shipyards of Perama and Salamis. These shipyards are known for exporting ferries to various countries, including Russia. Given their experience and capacity, they could be a viable alternative.
    
  • South Korean Shipyards: South Korea has a robust shipbuilding industry, with companies like Hyundai Heavy Industries and Samsung Heavy Industries being global leaders. They have the expertise and infrastructure to build large ferries and might offer competitive pricing and quality.
    
  • Japanese Shipyards: Japan also has a strong shipbuilding tradition, though the focus has shifted somewhat due to infrastructure developments like bridges and tunnels. Companies like Mitsubishi Heavy Industries could still be considered for ferry construction.
    
  • European Shipyards: Countries like Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands have advanced shipbuilding capabilities. For instance, Fincantieri in Italy is known for building large passenger vessels and could potentially handle ferry construction.
    
• Other Asian Shipyards:
  • Singaporean Shipyards: Singapore has a well-developed maritime industry, and shipyards like Keppel Offshore & Marine could be considered.
    
  • Indian Shipyards: India is emerging as a shipbuilding hub, with companies like Cochin Shipyard Limited and Mazagon Dock Limited. They might offer competitive pricing and are looking to expand their international presence.
    

Considerations:

• Cost and Efficiency: Chinese shipyards, like CMI Weihai, are often chosen for their lower costs and high capacity, which might be hard to match elsewhere without subsidies or other financial incentives.
  
• Geopolitical and Economic Relations: Choosing a non-Chinese shipyard might align better with Canadian foreign policy and economic interests, especially given concerns about China's practices.
  
• Capacity and Expertise: Not all shipyards outside China have the specific expertise or desire to build large ferries, as noted by Mike Corrigan of Interferry.
  
• Time and Delivery: International shipyards might have different lead times and logistical challenges compared to Chinese shipyards, which could affect project timelines.
  

Given these options, Canada could potentially negotiate with Greek, South Korean, or European shipyards, but it would require addressing cost disparities, ensuring competitive bidding, and possibly subsidizing domestic or allied shipyards to make them viable alternatives. The decision would also need to balance economic, strategic, and political considerations.

Dan Knight

@DanKnightMMA


So let me get this straight: Canada just handed $1 billion in taxpayer money, at below-market interest to build ferries in Communist China, a country that bans our beef, spies on our MPs, and jails its own citizens for speaking out... and the Liberal minister in charge can’t even say whether China is a dictatorship when asked by
@AaronGunn
? This isn’t just incompetence. It’s ideological surrender. While Canadian shipyards sit idle, steelworkers are laid off, and coastal communities are begging for investment, Gregor Robertson the Carney insider now playing Infrastructure Minister shrugs and says, “It’s not my job.” If you can’t call out a dictatorship, if you can't stand up for Canadian workers, and if you don’t know where a billion dollars is going, you have no business governing a lemonade stand, let alone a G7 country.

[annonentity]

I think it is obvious what is going on.

[Tecate]

Absolute corruption. Disgusting.
No bids from the local Shipbuilders, why? Was it a foregone conclusion that the Chinese would get the contract? Or, did the unions price themselves out of the running, expecting that it would go to them regardless?

Too many years of Liberal (socialist) kowtowing to the commies.

As usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

[putnam6]

10% to the big "canuck"

[Bakodiver]

I have done remedial work on several Chinese-built vessels.  One was a car ferry built for service in Chile.  It could not be delivered across the Pacific without cracking and warping.  Even in a sheltered lagoon I could see the car deck twisting and warping in 1-2 foot waves.  Another vessel had a square, chopped off looking termination of the keel just before the propellor.  Result?  The propellor cavitated and vibrated badly in the disturbed water flow from the keel.
BC Ferries needs to be extremely vigilant in assessing design and build quality at every step of construction, or they could take delivery of ferries that are essentially unusable.

[annonentity]

You get what you pay for. Corruption drains the money from the product into the pockets of management. Even in the west goods and services have far mor BS involved with them now and the the product is degraded. You can't run any economy in a sustainable way with these parasitic burdens running through the structure of it.