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(07-01-2026, 07:04 PM)BrotherKinsMan Wrote: Truth is an absolute.
It is undeniable.
But if the sky is green to me. If it looks green to me. Is it not truly green?
Blue light and Green light have different frequencies. Despite how you may choose to interpret or discriminate between the frequencies, they are empirically different.
Quote:How can you compare what YOU perceive as real with what another perceived as real?
Most of our perceptions are not 'true'. They are based upon our interpretation of the signals we receive from our sensory organs.
Errors, such as, for example color blindness, can arise in the physics of our sensory organs and in the interpretation of our senses. The variability in human sensation does not alter the truths about what we believe we sense. Hence perception is not the definition of 'truth'.
Quote:Furthermore, Truth need be redefined. Truth is not the same as fact.
Truth is existential.
Fact is solid and flat
The sky is blue to you, that's a fact.
But the truth isn't concerned with meaningless facts.
The truth is lived and experienced
It is beyond physical, beyond mental, beyond spiritual.
Truth simply is.
Much like love.
You say it isn't felt.... It is established and known and recognized by all.
I say it should be; but it is not yet because most are blind to the Truth.
The preamble to the US Constitution says that "We hold these truths to be self-evident...".
If we were to redefine 'truth' as variable, and relative, and dependent upon perceptual variances, and upon differing opinions, then it would make a mockery of those words, because those truths definitely wouldn't be self-evident to anyone who chose to disbelieve them.
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In order for something to be true it has to be true 100% of the time, if it isn't 100%, it's false. Truth is simple.
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Seems to me that truth is reality without permission.
And it exists without asking to be believed...
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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When it comes to using the color of the sky as an example, we have to measure it by the way human sensory organs interpret the light diffusion by the nitrogen in the atmosphere and the way those colors are detected on the human sight spectrum. And as was mentioned earlier, it often can be green in certain stormy conditions, often preceding something dangerous such as tornado.
However, many insects supposedly see in ultraviolet and infrared wavelengths and those colors do not necessarily register with the same colors human sensory organs interpret for the same objects or the sky itself. Int his way, your supposition actually carries some merit, as the insects are seeing their truth the way it applies to them in a very physically and measurably real way. UV is completely invisible to humans, but that does not mean the light is not there. We certainly feel in the burn on our skin after so many hours in direct sunlight.
Both understandings of the colors visible to humans and insects are the Truth, even though neither one can actually perceive it the way of the other without machine assistance. Thats the funny thing about light, all colors are around us all the time, but our visual cortex assigns values based on reflective and absorption properties of the matter in addition to its gravitational effect based solely on HUMAN evolutionary development. Why don't humans see in UV even though that light is True and all around us?? See this is the fun stuff right here.
Beware of the cyborg cockroach, they may take over the world!
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How we perceive doesn't change truth
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(07-02-2026, 12:04 PM)ReturnofBroccoli Wrote: How we perceive doesn't change truth
Reality stays the same, even if we see it differently.
Our perception only affects what we think is true...not what is actually true.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(06-28-2026, 09:55 PM)BrotherKinsMan Wrote: Here’s the truth...
Your whole post can be summed up as 'Truth is what I want it to be.'
Absurd, self-justifying nonsense.
For forms of government let fools contest;
Whatever is best administered is best.
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Science says none of our atoms are actually physically touching and full of empty space, and yet everything around us appears and feels solid. Is solid matter the truth, or an illusion made possible due to megneto-electric forces??
We say we are solid matter, but science, the measurable Truth, says otherwise. Where does is the line between perception and objective truth in these examples, including the one involving light above?
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(06-28-2026, 09:55 PM)BrotherKinsMan Wrote:
Truth, for you, is something the heart recognizes before the mind does.
Bullshit!
The truth is no one can tell another person what the truth is but
it surely has nothing to do with the heart or the mind.
The truth is simply a factual account of what is as well as what should never be.
Stop trying to give words a definition that likely suits some lie you prefer over the truth.
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