Location Of The Garden Of Eden

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The truth of history is written in our selves.

'zactly.

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Perhaps the people whom it was for know in their bones what it means?

It was most likely only meant for the religious leaders back then whose job/mission it was to relate/interpret it as they chose to the uneducated people in such a way as to elicit blind faith and obedience (or who knows what else)...no questions asked.

Theologians are still arguing the writings to this very day. Not to mention the conveniently omitted gospels that most want to ignore...because...awkward.

If they can't get it right, then neither can we expect to get it right.

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It was most likely only meant for the religious leaders back then whose job/mission it was to relate/interpret it as they chose to the uneducated people in such a way as to elicit blind faith and obedience (or who knows what else)...no questions asked.

Theologians are still arguing the writings to this very day. Not to mention the conveniently omitted gospels that most want to ignore...because...awkward.

If they can't get it right, then neither can we expect to get it right.

I have posted my speculative hypothesis of what it may refer to in another thread.

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Genesis 2:10-14: Describes a river flowing out of Eden, splitting into four rivers. The Pishon, Gihon, and Tigris are identified, with the Euphrates being named as the fourth.

AI:
"The Four Rivers: The four branches are:

• Pishon: This river was identified by some scholars as potentially referring to the Wadi al-Batin, a dry riverbed in the Arabian Peninsula.
  

• Gihon: This river's exact location is debated, but some believe it might be the Nile.
  
• Hiddekel (Tigris): This is the name of the Tigris River, which is a well-known geographical feature.
  
• Phrath (Euphrates): This is the name of the Euphrates River, another well-known geographical feature.
  

"Possible Interpretations: Some scholars have speculated that the four rivers may have been meant to symbolize a broader geographical area or even a spiritual concept."

Could Eden have been meant as a spiritual concept. It's interesting to mull that one over.

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Genesis 2:10-14: Describes a river flowing out of Eden, splitting into four rivers. The Pishon, Gihon, and Tigris are identified, with the Euphrates being named as the fourth.

AI:
"The Four Rivers: The four branches are:

• Pishon: This river was identified by some scholars as potentially referring to the Wadi al-Batin, a dry riverbed in the Arabian Peninsula.
  

• Gihon: This river's exact location is debated, but some believe it might be the Nile.
  
• Hiddekel (Tigris): This is the name of the Tigris River, which is a well-known geographical feature.
  
• Phrath (Euphrates): This is the name of the Euphrates River, another well-known geographical feature.
  

The four rivers could have simply been fountains in a garden in Babylon where a few Priests of the god An lived, which was the religion allegedly started by the Annunaki. (See post above for explanation of the Annunaki.)

They need not be major rivers from prehistory, just a fountain diverted from the Tigris or Euphrates to be a part of the ceremonial garden, then returning to it.  

The rivers you mention don't connect to one another except the Tigris and Euphrates.

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The four rivers could have simply been fountains in a garden in Babylon where a few Priests of the god An lived, which was the religion allegedly started by the Annunaki. (See post above for explanation of the Annunaki.)

They need not be major rivers from prehistory, just a fountain diverted from the Tigris or Euphrates to be a part of the ceremonial garden, then returning to it.  

The rivers you mention don't connect to one another except the Tigris and Euphrates.

Did they connect at one time, if we are to believe the Bible described Eden's location via these rivers?

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Did they connect at one time, if we are to believe the Bible described Eden's location via these rivers?

KJV does say one of the rivers "encompasseth Ethiopia" but there is no river which connects to the Euphrates and even enters much less encompasses Ethiopia.  Perhaps "Ethiopia" was a community of East African traders in Babylon?  

I am thinking the actual garden may have been a manmade garden in the middle of Babylon.  It may have been only a few acres large.  It may have been a religious shrine to the Priests of An. 

The river may have simply been a small spring which watered the garden and was then allowed to flow by various routes to the Euphrates. 

When Moses wrote the Pentateuch, it was many generations later.

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KJV does say one of the rivers "encompasseth Ethiopia" but there is no river which connects to the Euphrates and even enters much less encompasses Ethiopia.  Perhaps "Ethiopia" was a community of East African traders in Babylon?  

I am thinking the actual garden may have been a manmade garden in the middle of Babylon.  It may have been only a few acres large.  It may have been a religious shrine to the Priests of An. 

The river may have simply been a small spring which watered the garden and was then allowed to flow by various routes to the Euphrates. 

When Moses wrote the Pentateuch, it was many generations later.

If we are to believe that Genesis was just a moral story then why describe locations of places at all? It does not make sense, once again to think of the Bible as being allegorical when specific descriptions are given.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_places

Scholars have speculated where the Garden of Eden may have been or that it was a spiritual concept. They nor theologians can come to agreements of facts, so I'll leave it there.

Then again, Sodom discovered?:

"But last week — and again this week — on THE ROSENBERG REPORT, I sat down for an exclusive interview with Dr. Steven Collins, the archaeologist who claims that he and his team have actually uncovered the Biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Kingdom of Jordan."

"“There's so much specific information about the location of these cities that you would practically have to be blind and illiterate not to be able to find the location of Sodom because there are at least 25 known pieces of geography that you can triangulate between to take you to the city of Sodom. It's not difficult,” stressed Collins, author of “Discovering the City of Sodom.”"

https://allisrael.com/did-sodom-and-gomo...erg-report

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If we are to believe that Genesis was just a moral story then why describe locations of places at all? It does not make sense, once again to think of the Bible as being allegorical when specific descriptions are given.

It is an account passed down to Moses through several generations. 

No, you cannot conclude it's either moral allegory or sets out to describe locations which outsiders can find on a world map, which they didn't have in Biblical days. 

Moses could be describing a garden the size of a city park with a spring in it which fed into the Euphrates via four routes.  The spring and the routes could be so small that they would only have been known to locals.  They could be long gone or they could be re-routed long ago.

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It is an account passed down to Moses through several generations. 

No, you cannot conclude it's either moral allegory or sets out to describe locations which outsiders can find on a world map, which they didn't have in Biblical days. 

Moses could be describing a garden the size of a city park with a spring in it which fed into the Euphrates via four routes.  The spring and the routes could be so small that they would only have been known to locals.  They could be long gone or they could be re-routed long ago.

How accurate and complete, without it being open to different interpretations, do you think this 'passing down' of truth or stories could be?