Did Martin Bormann kill Hitler?

[xpert11]

I never brought into the Hitler escaped from Berlin idea. However, Bormann killing Hitler is something to ponder. My biggest issue with the theory is the notion that Bormann escaped from Berlin. However, Bormann could have murdered Hitler before he was killed in a failed Berlin breakout. 

Notably, Eva Braun's fate doesn't fit well into the alternatives to her and Hitler committing suicide.

[ARM1968]

No he didn’t. Hitler escaped to South America. A lot of anecdotal evidence and more interesting physical evidence. Many of his personal belongings have been found over there. Even the pills he was on were found I think. His art. His China and cutlery. His magnifying glasses and a lot more. He don’t die in Berlin for sure and Russia had nothing but a lie. CIA were still hunting him in the 50’s and 60’s in South America.

[sahgwa]

No he didn’t. Hitler escaped to South America. A lot of anecdotal evidence and more interesting physical evidence. Many of his personal belongings have been found over there. Even the pills he was on were found I think. His art. His China and cutlery. His magnifying glasses and a lot more. He don’t die in Berlin for sure and Russia had nothing but a lie. CIA were still hunting him in the 50’s and 60’s in South America.

Unbeknownst to me, not only did Hitler live awhile in Argentina and I think Bolivia (allegedly), he also brought over Eva and the locals report that they had a daughter. 
She left him with their daughter, to die alone of Parkinsons etc.  This is all recent information from an Argentinian researcher, that I learnt about from Why Files.
Lots of anecdotal evidence ,as well as the whole Colonia Dignidad thing. And also the huge mansion I had not heard about where he lived, Inalco. 

https://drumsofatlantis.com/operation-ea...-bariloche

New information as in from 2022
By 2022, new discoveries further complicated the narrative. Researchers found a German submarine intentionally hidden off the coast of Argentina. Despite repeated inquiries, Argentina refused to allow further investigation.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

No he didn’t. Hitler escaped to South America. A lot of anecdotal evidence and more interesting physical evidence. Many of his personal belongings have been found over there. Even the pills he was on were found I think. His art. His China and cutlery. His magnifying glasses and a lot more. He don’t die in Berlin for sure and Russia had nothing but a lie. CIA were still hunting him in the 50’s and 60’s in South America.

Why do you have to go and take away the moral lesson though?  History needs to state when you're a megalomanic dictator or evil war criminal you die an example of what happens to absolute power.

If Hitler, Barbie, or The Angel of Death flee to South America it's not an example of divine punishment. Right and wrong are AWOL in the recounted victory parable.

You don't want the guy that tortured Jews for "science" to retire in a beachfront paradise, and die of a merciful heart attack while swimming in a pristine lagoon in 1979.

Even more so with Hitler.  Though he couldn't have lived much longer even if he got to Argentina. Like 1960 would be extraordinary.  He had More chronic ailment than bones in his body, and was heavily addicted to drugs that kept his life bearable. So his life would've been torture to live in exile. And he had to watch Israel form and write his legacy without saying a word. 

The CIA definitely hunted Nazis in South America though.  But Soviets kinda overshadowed all that and made us care about communism. It's not like CIA didn't know Mengele was enjoying a nice Beachfront retirement.

But at the same time; a Bay of Pigs, a president that opposed war, and another Mao, Ho Chi Minh, was converting the unheard of rice farmers of Southeast Asia to communism. And that was WAY more important to devote our valueble resources to, intelligence-wise.

[Solvedit]

No he didn’t. Hitler escaped to South America. A lot of anecdotal evidence and more interesting physical evidence. Many of his personal belongings have been found over there. Even the pills he was on were found I think. His art. His China and cutlery. His magnifying glasses and a lot more.

People keep mementos and take drugs.  Pills implies mass manufacture.  That means a lot of people could have had them.

He would have needed a war chest and friends in order to escape.  Everybody knew his face.  He was so well-known and hated, his friends would have stolen his war chest and done him in.  Had he not died in Berlin, and he probably did, he wouldn't have made it very far. 

He probably knew it.

[sahgwa]

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Why do you have to go and take away the moral lesson though?  History needs to state when you're a megalomanic dictator or evil war criminal you die an example of what happens to absolute power.

If Hitler, Barbie, or The Angel of Death flee to South America it's not an example of divine punishment. Right and wrong are AWOL in the recounted victory parable.

You don't want the guy that tortured Jews for "science" to retire in a beachfront paradise, and die of a merciful heart attack while swimming in a pristine lagoon in 1979.

Even more so with Hitler.  Though he couldn't have lived much longer even if he got to Argentina. Like 1960 would be extraordinary.  He had More chronic ailment than bones in his body, and was heavily addicted to drugs that kept his life bearable. So his life would've been torture to live in exile. And he had to watch Israel form and write his legacy without saying a word. 

The CIA definitely hunted Nazis in South America though.  But Soviets kinda overshadowed all that and made us care about communism. It's not like CIA didn't know Mengele was enjoying a nice Beachfront retirement.

But at the same time; a Bay of Pigs, a president that opposed war, and another Mao, Ho Chi Minh, was converting the unheard of rice farmers of Southeast Asia to communism. And that was WAY more important to devote our valueble resources to, intelligence-wise.

The moral of the story is while the German state capitulated, the Nazi party never signed anything.
They survived, rat-lined away, and nested in places of power in the European proto EU, the USA and USSR, making themselves invaluable through their old intel networks and scientific know-how, received on the backs of dead human beings. 

The war never ended, it just went underground.
The Fourth Reich is the EU and part of the USA.
Support for largely fascist Ukraine against the Russian Red menace.
Support for the USA troops in a global war on the boogeyman to fund endless whatevers in a jingoistic fascist tone.
Support for mad Scientism and augmentation of humanity to create the Uber Mensch, complete with fear of mortality and impurity and sickness. 

GEN Gehlen's Fremde Heer Oost mutated and created the Cold War almost single handedly by purposely overinflating troops and munitions reports on both sides of the Iron Curtain.

Nazi International is alive and well, and playing ball with the USA GOV corporation, EU technofascist creeps and trying to offset the Chinese Menace.

[UltraBudgie]

The war never ended, it just went underground.
The Fourth Reich is the EU and part of the USA.
Support for largely fascist Ukraine against the Russian Red menace.
Support for the USA troops in a global war on the boogeyman to fund endless whatevers in a jingoistic fascist tone.
Support for mad Scientism and augmentation of humanity to create the Uber Mensch, complete with fear of mortality and impurity and sickness. 

GEN Gehlen's Fremde Heer Oost mutated and created the Cold War almost single handedly by purposely overinflating troops and munitions reports on both sides of the Iron Curtain.

Nazi International is alive and well, and playing ball with the USA GOV corporation, EU technofascist creeps and trying to offset the Chinese Menace.

If you enjoy this tale, might I also recommend Artemis Unveiled, by Jason Reza Jorjani?

...The most significant consequence of the collapse of the USA was the de facto declassification of devastating secrets long held in the vaults of the CIA, the NSA, and the Pentagon. It was not so much declassification or disclosure as it was the fact that once the federal government ceased to function across most of the former states of the Union, high-ranking military and intelligence officials who found themselves citizens of the new nations of North America were effectively released from their national security and secrecy oaths. Certain of the new republics in particular considered testimony from these officials to be an important part of starting with a clean slate, and they offered amnesty or immunity from prosecution to those who made these confessions. Once they became the undisputed victors of the Third World War, China and Russia also exerted significant pressure, through the UN, to make sure that these Truth Tribunals took place. The truth about the Covid-19 vaccine as a genocidally depopulating bioweapon had already dynamited the stigma of “conspiracy theories” that the mainstream media in America had used to keep these terrible truths hidden for decades.
 
The two most significant disclosures were closely connected to one another insofar as they exposed a single cabal that, since at least the 1950s, had succeeded in capturing the most fundamental levels of strategic planning and policymaking in the USA. It was a military-industrial-intelligence-corporate structure, which President Eisenhower had tried to warn the American people about on his way out of office in 1960. He had also tried to privately, and more substantively, warn incoming President Kennedy. But alas, when JFK attempted to act on Ike’s warning, threatening to break up the CIA and to collaborate with the Soviet Union on the frontier of the Moon, this cabal orchestrated his public execution at Dealey Plaza in Dallas. The same people were responsible for the assassinations of the patsy Lee Harvey Oswald, Robert Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Martin Luther King, and at least half a dozen other people of lesser notoriety who were connected to them.
 
A generation later, this cabal orchestrated the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers in Manhattan and a missile strike on the Pentagon in Washington on September 11, 2001. What some of the former insiders revealed to Americans about the “inside job” on 9/11 was even more outrageous than what they had to come to terms with regarding the Kennedy Assassination. The deliberate incineration of nearly three thousand American citizens by people holding positions of power in the state security services of their own government was so appalling a truth to fathom that all nuance was lost on those who were being asked to grapple with it. International connections, such as to Deutsche Bank, were rendered irrelevant by comparison to how many US officials in sensitive positions were implicated in the vast conspiracy to commit mass murder and justify two illegal wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which actually served to strengthen the Islamists who were blamed for the supposed acts of “terrorism.” Well, it was terrorism. But the terrorists were in the CIA, the NSA, the Department of Defense, and even within the Bush-Cheney cabinet itself. No one traced the web woven by these men back to the Spider of the Fourth Reich, which had actually infiltrated the US Government and masterminded the attacks in an attempt to lay the groundwork for the eventual destruction of liberal-democratic America. The trust in mainstream media was so shattered by these disclosures that, by 2030, almost no one believed anything that was reported over “the news.” Belief, in any subject, became strictly a matter of faith, and secularism, with its commitment to objective truths, collapsed in the face of a rabid and, in many cases, violent resurgence of religious sectarianism and rival political cults...

You may find it in the fiction section.

[sahgwa]

If you enjoy this tale, might I also recommend Artemis Unveiled, by Jason Reza Jorjani?


You may find it in the fiction section.

'fiction' indeed!

I put it in my Bezos' Cart :D

[Hookindafoot]

Most likely he was wasted by an Allied soldier.