The final JFK files drop today 80,000 files total

[putnam6]

OK so if these docs confirm what everyone knew, that there were multiple gunmen, and the CIA helped orchestrate the killing of their own Commander in Chief, can we disband CIA and break it into a million pieces now?
You may say I'm a dreamer....

Yep and when I was younger I used to think the CIA wouldn't do that shit, till I read Operation Northwoods on ATS 

been reading about the CIA since it's beginning.

Wild Bill Donavan and it was supposed to be superior to the FBI and J Edgar, instead, it seems they both have self-control issues. 

[sahgwa]

God laughs and plays.
And the Intelligence community just laughs. 
The hidden system of finance, the hypothecation and rehypothecation of gold, the crypto scam, the algorithmic trading, the bearer bonds scandals.
The hidden technology, murdered propulsion and energy inventors and scientists, the secret space programme.
The obfuscation, mockery, lying and deceit of the UFOlogical realm, Project Blue Book, Roswell, Socorro, Aztec, the 'Nordics' the tall whites, the greys, astral projection, remote viewing.
Just a big power trip and greed fest.
If you want the truth you have to scrape away the 90% paint of bullshit applied to get to the 10% of what's just mostly true. Then you can't do anything about it anyway, because this planet is a school, a prison, and a garden where things repeat in an endless cycle and nothing is fixed, as perfection is stagnation, but we can enjoy the action and learn from it.
So let's get busy perfecting ourselves, so that there won't be anyone to serve 'the dark side' anymore.
The humans in power can mock and 'lord' over the peons but they will always be empty inside in doing so, until it's too late.

[UltraBudgie]

Just a big power trip and greed fest.

Honi soit qui mal y pense. The poison without the shrew.

Sort of thinking that as intelligence apparatuses become large and complex enough, they internalize their own contradictions and opposition. Lift the white hat and you'll find the black hat. Lift that and you'll find the white again. And so on. These structure build naturally through bureaucratic accretion of focused endeavour, over time, because of the human desire to control context. If you operate as an intelligence agency within a context of practice, that necessitates an oppositional viewpoint. Another scope of action within that context, to push against. It begins externalized, tangible, then becomes modelled through successive empirical operation to greater and greater refinement until it is eventually internalized, a near indistinguishable map. That begs a new scope, and the process begins again, at another layer. This is what drove Angleton so crazy; he built too much of that in his head too quickly and became lost in the mirrors of counterintelligence. The best way to defeat your enemy is to become him.

It is a natural result of the complexity arising from unconstrained scope, and budget too of course. Anything replacing it would be the same. So think of CIA like an everlasting gobstopper. Layers of operational flavour as you get deeper, hiding yet supporting each other. This one's earwax. Ooh, peppermint. Vomit, wintergreen, and blood. You can get to almost any flavour you want there. It just depends on how much you suck.

Some reading: https://english.lem.pl/works/novels/memo...-a-bathtub

[sahgwa]

Honi soit qui mal y pense. The poison without the shrew.

Sort of thinking that as intelligence apparatuses become large and complex enough, they internalize their own contradictions and opposition. Lift the white hat and you'll find the black hat. Lift that and you'll find the white again. And so on. These structure build naturally through bureaucratic accretion of focused endeavour, over time, because of the human desire to control context. If you operate as an intelligence agency within a context of practice, that necessitates an oppositional viewpoint. Another scope of action within that context, to push against. It begins externalized, tangible, then becomes modelled through successive empirical operation to greater and greater refinement until it is eventually internalized, a near indistinguishable map. That begs a new scope, and the process begins again, at another layer. This is what drove Angleton so crazy; he built too much of that in his head too quickly and became lost in the mirrors of counterintelligence. The best way to defeat your enemy is to become him.

It is a natural result of the complexity arising from unconstrained scope, and budget too of course. Anything replacing it would be the same. So think of CIA like an everlasting gobstopper. Layers of operational flavour as you get deeper, hiding yet supporting each other. This one's earwax. Ooh, peppermint. Vomit, wintergreen, and blood. You can get to almost any flavour you want there. It just depends on how much you suck.

Some reading: https://english.lem.pl/works/novels/memo...-a-bathtub

That book sounds right up my alley

Let us not forget - basic human tribalism as well.  One organisation becomes a hundred.  You have the Army, you have Cav vs Infantry vs Intel vs MP. You have SIGINT vs HUMINT vs ELINT vs  .you have 2nd Division vs 1-41st vs....you have Charlie company vs fox company. 
We compete to motivate. We create enemies to create reason to be.
This always comes down to a psychological and spiritual problem.  
But at any rate, CIA needs to go. :D

[putnam6]

That book sounds right up my alley

Let us not forget - basic human tribalism as well.  One organisation becomes a hundred.  You have the Army, you have Cav vs Infantry vs Intel vs MP. You have SIGINT vs HUMINT vs ELINT vs  .you have 2nd Division vs 1-41st vs....you have Charlie company vs fox company. 
We compete to motivate. We create enemies to create reason to be.
This always comes down to a psychological and spiritual problem.  
But at any rate, CIA needs to go. :D

It feels like humans and humanity have reached their zenith or their maximum trajectory with its current propulsion system and guidance controls

We are too divided to advance to our next age of enlightenment, we need to be rebuilt or reorganized differently.

[sahgwa]

It feels like humans and humanity have reached their zenith or their maximum trajectory with its current propulsion system and guidance controls

We are too divided to advance to our next age of enlightenment, we need to be rebuilt or reorganized differently.

The dumb version of this restructuring is the transhumanist robo blob AI ideocracy they are pushing.  Easier to control.

I like the more organic natural version where we live in symbiotic tree houses and use levitation and zero point energy technology and subsist off of our own private farms. :D

[Maxmars]

OK so if these docs confirm what everyone knew, that there were multiple gunmen, and the CIA helped orchestrate the killing of their own Commander in Chief, can we disband CIA and break it into a million pieces now?
You may say I'm a dreamer....

If I were to explain why that won't happen...
I would expose myself to the kind of problems I don't want.

Suffice to say that not every government agency actually operates 'as advertised.' 

The CIA is definitely acting (as they most have since it's inception) as if they are exempt from oversight... and thus they have attracted all manner of "enterprise" which (I suspect) most citizens would shudder about if they truly knew... and especially if the media monster apparatus hadn't already spent the span of generations "showing" the public what the agency wanted us to think it was.

When we say "organized crime" we think of thugs, gangs, and street crime... I say think bigger... think Banks, Agencies, Ministries... that may be their world... they certainly fit the profile.

[sahgwa]

If I were to explain why that won't happen...
I would expose myself to the kind of problems I don't want.

Suffice to say that not every government agency actually operates 'as advertised.' 

The CIA is definitely acting (as they most have since it's inception) as if they are exempt from oversight... and thus they have attracted all manner of "enterprise" which (I suspect) most citizens would shudder about if they truly knew... and especially if the media monster apparatus hadn't already spent the span of generations "showing" the public what the agency wanted us to think it was.

When we say "organized crime" we think of thugs, gangs, and street crime... I say think bigger... think Banks, Agencies, Ministries... that may be their world... they certainly fit the profile.

Oh for sure.  It's all mafias.
Nation state is dead, it's a corporation.
Intel agencies are gangs.
The only thing that has changed the last 20 years is the gradual revealing of this fact.