04-08-2024, 11:16 AM
(04-08-2024, 11:02 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Sorry for that. It wasn't my intention to be cryptic, or confusing. If I was, it was purely accidental.Christian’s, Christianity even our catholic brethren are defined by the beliefs recorded in the Nicene creed, basic, standard and foundational doctrine
It would be 'recorded so' though, wouldn't it? "Early" Christian faiths will always identify as "one among many disagreeing sects." Yet, the history reflected in scripture is that there was one church of Christ... not many. As I stated before, the numbers don't lie. And I risk appearing pretentious when I say that Christ could not have come to establish a "whole slew of tangentially related subsects of Christianity." I think most 'separatists' are such because of one of two reasons... they simply can't "tolerate" being part of the whole community, or they reject the "whole" utterly. How much of that is "human baggage" or "transcendental philosophy" is for better people than I to discern.
Again, I'm sorry about the confusion. The short of it is that I wanted to discuss the source articles' assertions that distinction had to be drawn regarding the Catholic Church and Christianity.
1 - I agree. The author of the article seems to be in agreement as well... but not without first establishing the 'except that' idea.
2 - I admit that Luther was as human as any other, filled with stereotypical human baggage and personal drives and afflictions. But the church was corrupted by people who were clearly of a "classist" bent (as occurs in all hierarchies established within cultural tradition.)
My first effort in the opening post is to establish the "word" aspect of the argument (perhaps we think alike.) My "position" was not necessarily the subject of discussion.
What makes the discussion "sticky" (in my perception) is the fact that many approach this subject "feeling" their response rather than "constructing it." As a result of that many must "dictate" or "announce" an absolute answer rather than "rationalize" one for the remainder of us participating. It is a danger in the discussion, which we here can easily circumvent with courtesy and respect... in other virtual places courtesy and respect are weaknesses... not here.
Blind hatred of anything is doubly a weakness. Firstly, because it is "blind," and secondly because it is hatred.
I must thank you all for jumping into the discussion.... And I apologize for the uncertainty which I seem to have engendered with this thread...
Maybe I should seek to be more "uncertain" in the future....
outside of that foundation, there is a bit of a free for all. Thinking that God gave us all freewill, made us all unique, independent and individual creatures, with different opinions. Not to be blind, unquestioning brainless morons as some “christian” leaders and public authority would desire
my guess anyway
