The Lavender Filter

[SomeStupidName]

What says a women cant be in charge of major decisions? 

Who says the man can't play a supportive role to the ultimate authority of the woman?

What validates his statement?

The fact that you can't even decide what you want to eat when your hungry. 

Men have always played a supportive role, in fact the roles are codependent for proper and full life.

His lived experience. 

I understand there are extremes where the norms don't apply but hyper focusing on those issues is narrow sighted.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Thanks for playing.

The fact that you can't even decide what you want to eat when your hungry.

How do you know we cant decide?

"I dont know, what do you want?"

Does not always mean what the words say.

It can ALSO mean she knows exactly what she wants, and may have already hinted at what that is, but wants you to care enough about her to remember where she said she wanted you to take her more. 

The traditional gender roles are reinforced by her manipulating you to be more caring and assertive. And then you get points for remembering she wanted to go there! 

Just know: "indecision" does not all equal indecision. 

And begs the question, "Are we still in control, even when we dont decide?" 
 

Men have always played a supportive role, in fact the roles are codependent for proper and full life.

But I mean more along the lines of Maude and Walter, if you get the reference. An almost inverted role from cultural norms. Like taking a 50s TV script and giving the Mother's lines to the Husband in yours. 

Better worded question would be:

"What says we cant completely invert the gender roles (from a typical 50s nuclear family) in the home and have a functioning household?"

[SomeStupidName]

Thanks for playing.

How do you know we cant decide?

"I dont know, what do you want?"

Does not always mean what the words say.

It can ALSO mean she knows exactly what she wants, and may have already hinted at what that is, but wants you to care enough about her to remember where she said she wanted you to take her more. 

The traditional gender roles are reinforced by her manipulating you to be more caring and assertive. And then you get points for remembering she wanted to go there! 

Just know: "indecision" does not all equal indecision. 

And begs the question, "Are we still in control, even when we dont decide?" 
 

But I mean more along the lines of Maude and Walter, if you get the reference. An almost inverted role from cultural norms. Like taking a 50s TV script and giving the Mother's lines to the Husband in yours. 

Better worded question would be:

"What says we cant completely invert the gender roles (from a typical 50s nuclear family) in the home and have a functioning household?"

lol. Yeah I know the game, and I like to play. The role reversal i'm sure can work for some and no one is saying it has to end for anyone who chooses that, however the traditional role family shouldn't be demonized either. Maude was a little before my time but spill over from that era I do recall and that world of the late 70's was obliterated by the 90's, before the internet most people where lead around by the nose by the media with no way of knowing how fake and crooked they are.

[SomeStupidName]

lol. Yeah I know the "I don't know" game, and I like to play.

The role reversal i'm sure can work for some and no one is saying it has to end for anyone who chooses that, however the traditional role family shouldn't be demonized either. Maude was a little before my time but spill over from that era I do recall and that world of the late 70's was obliterated by the 90's, before the internet most people where lead around by the nose by the media with no way of knowing how fake and crooked they are.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Thank you for your answers on gender dynamics in heterosexual M/F families..

But because this is going to be my all purpose feminism thread, I'd like to switch up, and give everyone another mini topic, because I dont really think it needs yet other trans-thread for itself. Its also the argument the (referenced) Cambridge Feminist in The OP was trying to make. 

From my personal lavender girl position:


The Social Condition of Gender

Yes... There is biological.  I have risk for cancers biological men could never be at risk for, like ovarian. I have PMDD. (Periods from hell).

But the biological is only half of it. At least to me.

Play along and pretend each of these people was in front you.



I task you to "Buy a drink for the person of the opposite gender."

Who would you choose?

Which one was born XX and which one was born XY?

Of course the left image would be model Valentina Sampaio and right image is Jamie Wilson, but you wouldn't know that.

Off hand, you would assume left is female and right is male. So obviously there is a social and observational condition of womanhood or manhood not being acknowledged.

Yeah, you can say they "can't be" all you want, but im guessing, without knowledge of the trick question, 10/10 would choose Left = Female, Right = Male.

Could you tell off hand?

If i went by what this site's concensus says I just posted a picture of a topless woman, right? This should be a T/C violation for posting explicit images.

Show of hands of everyone that sees a topless woman?

Doesn't it prove gender is also a social condition if that image gets to stay posted uncensored? 

Or in Social Media Memetic Language.

Biologically speaking its even grey on this example.

Jamie Wilson had textbook androgen saturation from birth.. In the before/after photos of him, you can tell this XX female body had very pronounced male phenotype traits, such as a very masculine upper body and shoulders wider than hips by a large degree. He was not intersex. 

Likewise, Valentina was naturally slender with narrow shoulders, and lacked more apparent male traits, that made the transition that much more seamless for each.

Across the board it still seems like the biological (as influenced by androgens) are in many cases driving the social ideation..

Finally, I dont see the threat to my biological status or the undoing of anything.

Instead I see gender attempting to be more acknowledged as a social condition, and fully support anyone that wants to undermine what i see as more an indoctrination of dogmatic value having found a landing spot in biology.

[UltraBudgie]

The answer is easy. Insist they buy their own damn drinks, and see which one get the most offended.

I am editing to add this line because perhaps it's a little glib to not give a more nuanced discussion, but somehow I'm suspecting that this is not the point here?

Let's have a thread where we talk about lesbians; that sounds fun.

How do they know which one's the man?

Wait it doesn't work that way. Except some times it does?

I mean if they have their wallet on a chain, you can be pretty sure.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Maybe later....  

May do female primacy next.  The status quo of gender roles would fit that topic better.

I also haven't seen the EO declaring "Radicalesbian" (influence) a terrorist ideology yet, so I assume its still okay..

There will definitely be the "which one's the man" ideas discussed if i do that. 

Because it's true and false simultanously. 

I mean if they have their wallet on a chain, you can be pretty sure.

Especially if it goes with cargo shorts, a collared shirt, and baseball cap.

[SomeStupidName]

Genesis 2:18-24

"The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.” / And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. / The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. ..."

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A suitable helper can't be submissive as all his livestock were.

It's not a competition but there can only be 1 captain of the ship.

[SomeStupidName]

The answer is easy. Insist they buy their own damn drinks, and see which one get the most offended.

Your actuality correct with that statement, it was one of my first go to moves to see where they stand.

[ANNEE]

It's not a competition but there can only be 1 captain of the ship.

Yep. Linda Greenlaw is a great captain.