The Interview THEY Didn't Want You To See

[andy06shake]

You do have a horse in this race.

Perhaps you'd like to be able to say no one should assume anything about your abilities because you were exiled to a colony.

But consider this:  in post-Restoration, Cavalier England, a person without a job who had good mental abilities would have been well-paid and appreciated.  They would not have needed to steal to get by.  So there was a demographic selection system in place. 

It could be so with the origins of various groups. There need not be a 1:1 correlation between heritage or ethnic or cultural group with abilities in order for demographic selectors to have produced a higher concentration of like-minded people than the random distribution of abilities you posit.

Buddy, if you like what the fella has to shovel.

You do you.

Plain as day the man's racist and mad.

As to the rest of that diatribe, im Scottish, but do tell me about ethnic cleansing and the likes of transportation? 

When people start equating black people to Gorillas, they lose my attention and respect for what they have to say. 

It's just not something smart people say. 

Simple as that, really.

[Solvedit]

Scottish or not, maybe you are as subject to groupthink as all the left. 

It is important to not reason by authority by arbitrarily crowning one person the authority on a given point of view, especially if you clearly just want to dismiss a whole concept because one person makes some statements which are rude and wrong.

[andy06shake]

Scottish or not, maybe you are as subject to groupthink as all the left. 

It is important to not reason by authority by arbitrarily crowning one person the authority on a given point of view, especially if you clearly just want to dismiss a whole concept because one person makes some statements which are rude and wrong.

No, definitely Scottish, no maybe about it.

Heads up, the world is a tad more complex an affair than the left-right mentality you're assuming is the only colour of the day. 

And all that sounds noble until you realise expertise isn't "arbitrarily crowning" someone.

It's noticing who actually did the homework.

My homework says the man's an uneducated racist.

If your plumber says pipes leak and your cousin Bob disagrees, that's not "reasoning by authority."

That's reasoning by incompetence.

And this man did not even finish university, so.... 

"Experts" are not saying the same thing he is where race and genetics are concerned. 

Again, if you like what he is punting, you do you.

[Solvedit]

And all that sounds noble until you realise expertise isn't "arbitrarily crowning" someone.

It's noticing who actually did the homework.

My homework says the man's an uneducated racist.

If your plumber says pipes leak and your cousin Bob disagrees, that's not "reasoning by authority."

That's reasoning by incompetence.

And this man did not even finish university, so.... 

"Experts" are not saying the same thing he is where race and genetics are concerned. 

They're not saying all the same things.  

I haven't watched his interview but wanted to address a point you made. 

To me, you do seem to have tried to smear the notion that there can be differences in average intelligence between admittedly arbitrary racial groupings by anointing this guy the authority.  He's just one person.

[andy06shake]

They're not saying all the same things.  

I haven't watched his interview but wanted to address a point you made. 

To me, you do seem to have tried to smear the notion that there can be differences in average intelligence between admittedly arbitrary racial groupings by anointing this guy the authority.  He's just one person.

LoL

Then i suggest you go watch the actual interview, and research what he's said.

It's nothing really new.

And a lot of it is nothing good, put it that way.

Some of it has merit.

But he shoots himself in the foot with the racist gibberish and daft FB comments. 

As to the arbitrary differences in intelligence.

Intelligence differences across racial groups aren't supported as genetic.

And again, race is a rough social label.

Not a clean biological category....

[Solvedit]

LoL

Then i suggest you go watch the actual interview, and research what he's said.

It's nothing really new.

And a lot of it is nothing good, put it that way.

Some of it has merit.

But he shoots himself in the foot with the racist gibberish and daft FB comments. 

I don't see the point. I wanted to discuss a point which you raised. One guy's comments won't change whether or not you are correct.

As to the arbitrary differences in intelligence.

Intelligence differences across racial groups aren't supported as genetic.

And again, race is a rough social label.

Not a clean biological category....

Do you think intellectual capacity (as opposed to educational development) is not genetic?

[andy06shake]

I don't see the point. I wanted to discuss a point which you raised. One guy's comments won't change whether or not you are correct.
Do you think intellectual capacity (as opposed to educational development) is not genetic?

The point is we stay on topic, and the topic is Langan, so...

One guy's comment about black people being Gorillas blows his credibility out of the water, I'm afraid.

Ive made you aware of the things he has said, and the views he seems to hold. 
 
Arguably, it's partly genetic, hence the merit part.

After all, our brains are built from DNA. 
 
But genes aren't destiny Solvedit.

And our minds still need input, challenges, nutrition, language, culture, and education to develop.

Best way to put it.

Genes load the dice to a degree. 

The environment rolls them...

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

[J DOH]

I've had the, uh... "privilege", of being subjected to several forensic psychological evaluations and skills/abilities testing/competitions.

At age 10, I placed first and second in the State for Language and Mathematics, respectively.

At 14 years old, my ASVAB score was 96.

My IQ has been equated to approximately 140, and, FWIW, a certain psychologist who administered specific tests told me that I was so smart I was, in fact, retarded.  [/shrug]

 

[Maxmars]

I've had the, uh... "privilege", of being subjected to several forensic psychological evaluations and skills/abilities testing/competitions.

At age 10, I placed first and second in the State for Language and Mathematics, respectively.

At 14 years old, my ASVAB score was 96.

My IQ has been equated to approximately 140, and, FWIW, a certain psychologist who administered specific tests told me that I was so smart I was, in fact, retarded.  [/shrug]

 

Once  I realized that the entire effort to 'measure' intelligence was born of 'target seeking' I felt in my gut it would turn into a terrible tool... that will forever be used against people.

My friends thought that was silly.

As they glowed over their scores, and scoffed at the lesser...
"I remember thinking... "you're making my point for me."

We don't know enough about the subject... we never have...

"Intelligence" and its cousin, "I.Q." are used as an exclusionary classification... a 'status'.

They are neither.

If I take a photo showing that a cheetah can run at 60 miles per hour, it doesn't mean it always does, or even always can.

IQ measurements are a snapshot in time... and a skill to undertake... because it isolates "abstract reasoning" only.

Abstract reasoning is not necessarily the "most useful" reasoning, and in fact may be crippled from the start...
even 'creativity' appears to show no correlation to IQ... despite being central to innovation.

What we deem 'intelligent' and 'smart' is often a social game...
and high IQs do not guarantee a socially stable, productive human being...

I think.

You cannot measure what you do not perceive with equipment...

Intelligence is a reminder to us all....

After all... have you seen what the media is telling is super-smart AI?


Next thing you know you'll be believing that a polygraph is always accurate.

[Solvedit]

And Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA contributes small traits, not our intelligence hierarchy.

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