The Chair of Peter is Vacant

[FlyersFan]

Not sure if anyone keeps up with, or cares about, Catholic politics.   But this does have long reaching effects both spiritually and in the secular world.

"Pope Francis" has been pope, supposedly, for 11 years.   He became pope because the pope before him, Pope Benedict, resigned.   However, when Pope Benedict resigned, he only rejected the exercise of powers of the papacy, and he didn't reject the investiture of the papacy, which Catholics believe is an anointing that comes straight from God.   Catholic law requires that if the pope resigns, that he rejects the investiture of the papacy, and Benedict did not do this.   Canon Law 332.2.

Therefore, many believe that Pope Francis couldn't have been licitly elected pope, since Benedict remained pope after his 'resignation' - which appears to have been incomplete.   And that makes the Chair of Peter - also called 'The Papacy' - EMPTY.   The army of canon lawyers in Pope Francis' Vatican say that Benedicts resignation was complete and lawful, and that Francis' election was also complete and lawful.  However, there are many canon lawyers and priests around the world who disagree.  And I say that those who say the Chair of Peter is empty, have a very good case.

"Pope Francis" is known for his far left politics.  He is anti-borders, anti-free-market, anti-America, and even anti-Catholic.  While he hasn't messed with the Catholic deposit of faith, which is believed by Catholics to be inerrant, he has written documents and made changes to procedures that have been against Catholic teaching and have been widely rejected by Catholics around the world.  And he has directly tried to interfere with the politics and security of countries around the world with his quest to end borders and bring the entire world down to a lawless third-world level.

This article discusses yet another priest that has spoken out about "Pope Francis" not being the real pope, and it talks about him getting excommunicated for it.  Francis is quick to kick out real Catholics who question him and his position ... but he allows the far left politicians who promote abortion and who become freemasons to stay in, even though the rule of law says they must be excommunicated.  And he promotes Cardinals who helped him get into office, even though they are up to their eyeballs in 'the pedophile scandal'  that has rocked the Catholic church (the Protestants have the same problem, yet no one talks about it for some reason).

Another Priest Excommunicated by 'Pope Francis' For Saying The Chair of Peter is Vacant

Fr. Santonocito posted a video on Dec. 8, 2024, in which he said “we’ve had an antipope for the past 11 years. The so-called Francis is not the pope and has never been, because Benedict XVI did not resign the papacy on February 11, 2013.”
 
“[Benedict XVI] did not abdicate by renouncing the munus petrino, i.e., the investiture as pope that derives directly from God, as is expressly required by can. 332.2; rather, Pope Benedict made a declaration in which he renounced the ministerium, the practical exercise of power, and not the papacy,” Santonocito added in the video.
 
Santonocito’s views are widely known as “Benevacantism” — a portmanteau of the name of Pope Benedict and sede vacantism, the contention that the see of Peter is vacant. The fringe opinion, promoted by some prominent social media critics of Pope Francis, holds that his predecessor’s resignation was not canonically valid, though this theory has been dismissed by canonists.

[schuyler]

Splitting hairs. Most Catholics and, indeed, the rest of the world, couldn't care less. If you are intent on making this an issue in Catholicism, you have a long and lonely road ahead of you.

[FlyersFan]

Splitting hairs. Most Catholics and, indeed, the rest of the world, couldn't care less. If you are intent on making this an issue in Catholicism, you have a long and lonely road ahead of you.

It's not splitting hairs.  You advocate for chaos.
It's called ... getting it correct theologically.
There can only be ONE person standing in the shoes of Peter at a time.
Only ONE ordained by God for that role.
There can't be two.
Benedict didn't renounce the anointing or the papacy .. he just renounced the duties.
Therefore, theologically, Benedict was still pope when Francis was elected.
And the law of the church also says that can't happen.
Rules are rules, and they are there for a reason.
In this case, they are there for a theological reason that has massive spiritual implications.

[Sirius]

It's not splitting hairs.  You advocate for chaos.
It's called ... getting it correct theologically.
There can only be ONE person standing in the shoes of Peter at a time.
Only ONE ordained by God for that role.
There can't be two.
Benedict didn't renounce the anointing or the papacy .. he just renounced the duties.
Therefore, theologically, Benedict was still pope when Francis was elected.
And the law of the church also says that can't happen.
Rules are rules, and they are there for a reason.
In this case, they are there for a theological reason that has massive spiritual implications.

This all sounds very complicated.  How does the hierarchy work? Is there other such roles?  Sorry I don't know anything about the catholic system.

edit: Actually nvm...I can already imagine this gets very complicated and will hurt my brain. As you where.

[jaded]

Haven't there been multiple prophesies that Pope Francis is the "last Pope"? 
That's just gone sideways in light of Ratzinger still technically the actual Pope. I'm just shocked it took 11 yrs for anyone to notice. The Church is usually more speedy when it comes to internal administration of the millions of internal hierarchal rules. (don't exactly know how to correctly describe it)

Corporate backstabbing is amature hour compared to the Vatican, can't see how this ball got dropped.

[schuyler]

It's not splitting hairs.  You advocate for chaos.
It's called ... getting it correct theologically.

It's chaos of your own making. I don't see the many millions of Catholics rioting over this issue. Most don't care. It's not a movement. Go ask 100 Catholics what they think of this issue and you will get one big yawn. There are lots of big problems in the world. This isn't one of them. It's equivalent to arguing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

[FlyersFan]

It's chaos of your own making. I don't see the many millions of Catholics rioting over this issue. Most don't care. It's not a movement. Go ask 100 Catholics what they think of this issue and you will get one big yawn. There are lots of big problems in the world. This isn't one of them. It's equivalent to arguing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

Most of the Catholics don't understand how the church works or why it does what it does. 
They are uneducated in their belief system.  
Much the same way that Americans don't understand the legal system in this country and
how laws are made.  They follow the laws, but don't understand the process.

It is not 'nitpicking'.   Catholicism is an exact science.   Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Just like with God there are no gray areas ... right is right and wrong is wrong.
To veer from that exact science invites spiritually deadly consequences.

It is not chaos to follow the rules which are in place for a very good reason.
Chaos is to do the opposite .. which you are advocating.
Chaos is the language of demons.  They love it.

If you go to a doctor and want a Polio vax, but he gives you a Measles vax instead, are you going to say 'close enough'?  That's what you are advocating for here ... saying 'close enough' with something spiritual that has deadly spiritual consequences.

Words have meanings.  Words have spiritual consequences.  'Intent' has spiritual consequences.  Ask any approved Catholic exorcist just how legalistic the demons are that he works against.   The demons are the equivalent of lawyers in the spiritual realm knowing exactly what peoples words and intent mean and how much power those words and intent can give the demons legally.

Pope Benedict just rejected doing the duties of pope.  He did NOT reject being the anointed of God investiture of being Pope like he was supposed to.  Those are two very different  things and there is a spiritual reason why it is in the Canon Law books that he has to reject BOTH.  It has repercussions in the spiritual realm and in the church as well as the secular life.

[FlyersFan]

Haven't there been multiple prophesies that Pope Francis is the "last Pope"? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes


The Saint Malachy prophecy had Ratzinger being the glory of the Oilve .. 
(which fits because that's the crest of his order)
And then 'Peter the Roman' after him as the last pope.
If Francis isn't really pope, and it looks like he isn't, then who ever comes after Francis should be 'Peter the Roman',
and be the last pope ... if he is properly invested as Pope during a legal and authentic election.

[schuyler]

Most of the Catholics don't understand how the church works or why it does what it does. 
Catholicism is an exact science

Kind of begs the question. Catholicism is NOT "science." It's a religion. Indeed, it's a cult that got big. And the ONLY reason it got big is because Constantine elevated it to its status. YOU are a cult member who thinks he is better than anyone else in the cult. Yet you are not ordained in any way--just a guy with an attitude proclaiming your nonsense to a lot of non-Catholics who don't believe any of this crap in the first place. Yours is a minority view that is not accepted by the Catholic Church itself. So flail away at the walls of your cult all you want. It won't change anything.

[FlyersFan]

Kind of begs the question. Catholicism is NOT "science." It's a religion. Indeed, it's a cult that got big. And the ONLY reason it got big is because Constantine elevated it to its status. YOU are a cult member who thinks he is better than anyone else in the cult. Yet you are not ordained in any way--just a guy with an attitude proclaiming your nonsense to a lot of non-Catholics who don't believe any of this crap in the first place. Yours is a minority view that is not accepted by the Catholic Church itself. So flail away at the walls of your cult all you want. It won't change anything.

What a load of failed insults.   
and non of it changes the fact that I'm correct. 
You don't know what you are talking about.
(and BTW .. I'm not a 'guy' ...)

Again ... words have meaning and impact.
These words have impact in the physical world .. AND in the spiritual.
As I said .. ask any Church Exorcist about how legalistic the demon are that they fight against.
Every word has spiritual consequences.  It has to be exactly right.

And again... the rules are in place for a reason. 
To ignore those facts is to invite chaos, which is what you are doing.  
A non Catholic dropping insults, promoting lawlessness in the church,
and not understanding what he's talking about ... no surprise.

Benedict rejected the duties of the pope, but not the investiture.
He did not resign from the papacy and the anointing by God which is required by Canon Law.
He just resigned from the duties.  That's two different things.
It's not 'nonsense' to point out the problem.   

And it's not 'bad attitude' to expose the problem. 
Nor is it supposedly 'flailing' to rationally discuss a possible conspiracy on a conspiracy forum. 
It's just stating facts.   your loaded language falls flat. 

Francis loyal army of canon lawyers agrees with him, of course.
But many canon lawyers and priests around the world disagree.
and therein lays the conspiracy of which we speak of at conspiracy sites like this.

As I said, the people of the Church don't know any better.
They are uneducated in their faith, much as Americans are uneducated
in how the government actually works in America.

The Chair of Peter is probably actually vacant.   A pretender could be sitting in it.
Judge a tree by it's fruits.  The fruits from "Francis" are not good, which is what 
you'd expect from a pretender to the Chair of Peter.