Tavistock Influence; A Historical to Recent Tool

[Maxmars]

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They believe the PR....  They 'buy in' to the thing they want so badly.

For me it's more informative that some leaders embrace the PR as gospel.  As the money is 'redirected.'

Baser greed is at the heart of this tech.  In another vein it could be called "weapon sales."

And weapons, of all things made by man for profit... mostly all 'sell out.'

I find commerce at the altar... every time.

[SteamyAmerican]

I don’t know much about Tavistock. I recall an ATS thread detailing and delving into extensive persuasive nature of the elite and corporate interests sending their offspring to the Institute and places like David to begin a training or indoctrination into maintaining a chokehold on the unwashed masses around the globe. A lot of psychological and economic tied into an Orwellian bent on power structures and subjugation. Etc.

As far as AI being involved (without throwing the thread) it seems there is now machinations in place with the help of social credit and facial recognition to identify and even coerce an individuals emotions and thoughts in real-time. Hadn’t heard of Gotham. Somewhat familiar with Palantir and the Lavender program used to uh, identify certain folks and uh, nevermind.

The future is looking bright. And if you disagree or dissent, they will find ya and show ya Room 101. Or something like it methinks.

Good times.

[GENERAL EYES]

I did my time in Room 101 and all I got was this stupid t-shirt.

No, but seriously, Tavistock is one of those motorious rabbit holes that has it's twists and turns.

MK was one of my main topics back in the day on ATS.

Will contribute more as time allows.

[quintessentone]

They believe the PR....  They 'buy in' to the thing they want so badly.

For me it's more informative that some leaders embrace the PR as gospel.  As the money is 'redirected.'

Baser greed is at the heart of this tech.  In another vein it could be called "weapon sales."

And weapons, of all things made by man for profit... mostly all 'sell out.'

I find commerce at the altar... every time.

Businesses want or need AI which is driving this movement, but will consumers choose it over their privacy from government and corporations? Or will they orchestrate LLM/AI within everyday electronics so you have no choice but to give up all your privacy and data?

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[UltraBudgie]

Businesses want or need AI which is driving this movement, but will consumers choose it over their privacy from government and corporations? Or will they orchestrate LLM/AI within everyday electronics so you have no choice but to give up all your privacy and data?

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It is so weird seeing how the focus on endpoint (device) data collection as a threat to "privacy" has successfully distracted from the fact that upstream (service provider) and transport (isp) level data collection has been fully implemented for years.

I suppose it is indeed all about the illusions some people still find necessary.

[quintessentone]

It is so weird seeing how the focus on endpoint (device) data collection as a threat to "privacy" has successfully distracted from the fact that upstream (service provider) and transport (isp) level data collection has been fully implemented for years.

I suppose it is indeed all about the illusions some people still find necessary.

The endpoint to my way of thinking is the establishment of LLM/AI Big Brother, like in if your neighbor is pissed with you then reports you to police as a suspicious character then they can, without warrants, search your residence and your social media posts...without due process.

[UltraBudgie]

The endpoint to my way of thinking is the establishment of LLM/AI Big Brother, like in if your neighbor is pissed with you then reports you to police as a suspicious character then they can, without warrants, search your residence and your social media posts...without due process.

Tavistock in this context is more about shaping the psychological and cultural framework that would allow such things to be acceptable, for example. As for the technological etiology, you may want to look into the early-2000s push for "anti-terrorist" technologies deployed in the middle east, to identify "networks" of social contagion of ideology and the particular nexuses of asymmetric operational significance, as well as the suspiciously-subsequent rise of social media "influencer" culture when such analytic methodologies came home to roost.

"Endpoint" in my previous post was used as a technical term, referring to a network user-interface point such as a television, phone, or personal computer. Distinct from the "endgame" which you're envisioning.

[quintessentone]

Tavistock in this context is more about shaping the psychological and cultural framework that would allow such things to be acceptable, for example. As for the technological etiology, you may want to look into the early-2000s push for "anti-terrorist" technologies deployed in the middle east, to identify "networks" of social contagion of ideology, and the particular asymmetric nexuses of operational significance, as well as the suspiciously-subsequent rise of social media "influencer" culture when such analytic methodologies came home to roost.

There is certainly a lot to research here when it comes to mind control, social engineering, LLM/AI psychological and ethical effects implications, culture shift, etc. Maybe we/I need to study the younger and upcoming generations to see how they approach or handle the new tech world with all its pluses and minuses.

[Maxmars]

There is certainly a lot to research here when it comes to mind control, ..

Someone has been trying to warn both my generation and since then... I have watched people disengaged because it's all too complicated, and not believe because the all-mighty words dribbling out of the 'box' already "proved" all that was lies.

Then I noticed how it wasn't just feedback that the warning was idiocy... it was the message that to even bring it up in conversation indicated I suffered from 'crazy, illogical, "paranoia"  that was the definition of a troubled mind.  Further, anyone under that considerations and focus was an indication that they likely require 'professional' intervention.

When I first learned of the "consultant/political appointee/bumbling clown show" planning and drooling over the prospect of allowing "friends with money" to access the up/down stream... and actually apply filter points... I knew that game of "internet for the people" was utterly dead... prioritizing revenue profit and 'private ownership'  changed everything...  

It was the last volley of a war to control information... and our leaders licked their lips, opened their wallets, and the machine was truly born.

And there was no one with whom to talk to about it. 

The intelligentsia were masturbating over their collective awesomeness, Hollywood/Madison avenue were positioning themselves for the "brave new world" they just "bought." 
No one 'saw' the danger of handing the internet over to "business."  They lauded it as 'glorious.'

Here we are.

And now they are replaying the same process for make-believe "AI."

We need a new communication medium or technology that they don't "own."
The 'can't be handed over' to someone for money... or power.

Back to modems, and bulletin boards?  Nope... they already chocked that to death.

The very idea that people might implement networks outside their construct is anathema to them.

Try it and find out.

Get a bunch of friendly neighbors to establish their own "mini-internet"... it will be 'engaged' by antagonists... very quickly... for "national security."

Some morons in the government have actually believed the glossy brochures, press releases, and 'social influencers' to 'special consumers.'  They honestly accept and embrace the narratives by Big Tech... because of course, they are always 'correct'... the brochure says so.

Meanwhile, the rest of the planet is literally 'telling them' what's wrong and the place walls and obstacles to effecting any change 'driven' by mere consumers.

Oh my... I'm ranting aren't I?

Projects to 'achieve' the 'innocuous" surveillance state are as much a 'confidence scam' as "AI."

If they ever could have, they would have... and before the tech was there... they had already tried.. failed... and some even realized that the exercise was essentially 'grasping at smoke.'

But the revenue stream capitalization was perfect... virtual (data) having value that they could define and control financially... the potential for a new secret revenue... all to be freely intercepted and 'used.'

Today this stream is as monetized as we can make it... because, as you see, not monetizing it would have been a sin....  right?

Surveillance is data piracy... taking from one... exploiting it for any purpose... and not remunerating the source ...  there's so much to monitor, now that our addresses, social security numbers, and personal connections are "sold" over and over... privacy is a punch-line.

State surveillance is not really necessary, it is already here... commerce does it all...  with zero cost and overhead to the government.... interesting that.

[quintessentone]

Someone has been trying to warn both my generation and since then... I have watched people disengaged because it's all too complicated, and not believe because the all-mighty words dribbling out of the 'box' already "proved" all that was lies.

Then I noticed how it wasn't just feedback that the warning was idiocy... it was the message that to even bring it up in conversation indicated I suffered from 'crazy, illogical, "paranoia"  that was the definition of a troubled mind.  Further, anyone under that considerations and focus was an indication that they likely require 'professional' intervention.

When I first learned of the "consultant/political appointee/bumbling clown show" planning and drooling over the prospect of allowing "friends with money" to access the up/down stream... and actually apply filter points... I knew that game of "internet for the people" was utterly dead... prioritizing revenue profit and 'private ownership'  changed everything...  

It was the last volley of a war to control information... and our leaders licked their lips, opened their wallets, and the machine was truly born.

And there was no one with whom to talk to about it. 

The intelligentsia were masturbating over their collective awesomeness, Hollywood/Madison avenue were positioning themselves for the "brave new world" they just "bought." 
No one 'saw' the danger of handing the internet over to "business."  They lauded it as 'glorious.'

Here we are.

And now they are replaying the same process for make-believe "AI."

We need a new communication medium or technology that they don't "own."
The 'can't be handed over' to someone for money... or power.

Back to modems, and bulletin boards?  Nope... they already chocked that to death.

The very idea that people might implement networks outside their construct is anathema to them.

Try it and find out.

Get a bunch of friendly neighbors to establish their own "mini-internet"... it will be 'engaged' by antagonists... very quickly... for "national security."

Some morons in the government have actually believed the glossy brochures, press releases, and 'social influencers' to 'special consumers.'  They honestly accept and embrace the narratives by Big Tech... because of course, they are always 'correct'... the brochure says so.

Meanwhile, the rest of the planet is literally 'telling them' what's wrong and the place walls and obstacles to effecting any change 'driven' by mere consumers.

Oh my... I'm ranting aren't I?

Projects to 'achieve' the 'innocuous" surveillance state are as much a 'confidence scam' as "AI."

If they ever could have, they would have... and before the tech was there... they had already tried.. failed... and some even realized that the exercise was essentially 'grasping at smoke.'

But the revenue stream capitalization was perfect... virtual (data) having value that they could define and control financially... the potential for a new secret revenue... all to be freely intercepted and 'used.'

Today this stream is as monetized as we can make it... because, as you see, not monetizing it would have been a sin....  right?

Surveillance is data piracy... taking from one... exploiting it for any purpose... and not remunerating the source ...  there's so much to monitor, now that our addresses, social security numbers, and personal connections are "sold" over and over... privacy is a punch-line.

State surveillance is not really necessary, it is already here... commerce does it all...  with zero cost and overhead to the government.... interesting that.

Absolutely spot on.

My daughter was telling me an AI (LLM) story and I replied to inform her that AI/LLMs hallucinate and she had never heard that before, so much for researching the younger generations approach to AI/LLMs. Unless I need to go much younger, but then they seem to embrace anything and everything LLM/AI.

But as I stated previously with that elementary teacher giving her students a project whereby they have AI write their essay then research if AI's output was correct or not. It was not, so there is hope within the education field at least. I mean really, how did a Millennial not know about AI's hallucinating?

When I have time, I'll delve more deeply into the economics of LLM/AI in business when job losses, home losses, etc. start piling up. It does not compute in the long run to me.