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Strong circumstantial evidence supporting piracy as a cause of the Civil War.
#71
It is said that a large portion of the former Indian Reserve (which the USA respected for a time) was ceded to settlers just after the Creek war because the settlers had worked their way in somehow during or just after the war.  

What if the land wasn't suddenly settled when the natives were weak from the Creek war and their own concurrent civil war?  What if various white or mixed native-white people who had lived among the natives simply decided it was time to defect and return to being US citizens, but act like they had been all along so they wouldn't be accused of treason or internally deported to what is now Oklahoma?  

It is said that when a child was lost to the natives, they rarely wanted to come back.  Perhaps it was more fun to live in the forest and hunt and forage?  So it wasn't misery.  It may have been easier than working some menial job in, say, New Orleans when the captain and senior officers tried to go legit and told the crew they may fend for themselves. 

It may have been occuring to some degree way before 1814 because even the earliest paintings and woodcuts of the Eastern natives don't look very much like they came from Siberia, like the Western and Alaskan natives do.  Perhaps it started when the first epidemics from old world contact hit them.  It may have occurred before 1492.  Some sources say Columbus is said to have had an African pilot who seemed to have some idea of where he was going. 

As pointed out before, the last native king of Tenerife had almost the same name as the tribe which once occupied the area of Miami and someone named a river in Florida "The Furthest Pilgrim" or Al-Aqsa Hajji.  Sequoyah looked just like famously half-Lebanese financier Kevin O'Leary.  The model for the Indian Head Cent looked no small amount like Jamie Farr of M.A.S.H.  
 
There were Scotch and probably other European captains in the Barbary Pirates and the Ottoman Empire was known to have more European slaves than America had African slaves; perhaps if a master had a child with a European Ottoman slave, they would have been consigned to a life at sea, then going to the US after the Barbary Wars.  Maybe they wound up passing for part native when it suited them.  The Five Civilized Tribes also had a large number of free blacks among them and it is well known the pirates had been inclusive of blacks.  The Five Tribes also kept African slaves so it is at least possible they would not have been much of a safe haven for escaped slaves which suggests the free blacks may have gotten there some other way. 

As also pointed out before, the Five Civilized Tribes might have become so civilized because of access to educated slaves and the Ottoman Empire took European slaves until the early 20th Century, which is consistent with the natives having contact with the Barbary pirates or affiliates.

Then there's the fact that MTG looks like Muammar Qadaffi and Colin Kaepernick looks like Imane Khelif the olympic boxer. 


Or, can it be the English brought in settlers to the Southeast but the settlers hoped to take the area for their own people instead of fighting for the king, so they went native to avoid impressment into the British army during the Revolution?  Then bided their time because the US practiced a hands-off approach to managing them?  Perhaps they eagerly took in their "lost children" from Barbary when the Barbary Wars and advancement in cannon and steamships suppressed the Barbary Pirates, because they hoped for the day when manpower might get them their own new world kingdom? 

What if the British had revenge in mind when they pensioned a few hundred soldiers at the Battle of New Orleans after the war had ended, leading the local militia to create legends of their ability in the face of a larger, professional force?  "For every man was half a horse and half an alligator."  There's a chance the British had gotten wind of the Treaty of Ghent despite the official record.   

Then, they bided their time while the South bided its time.
#72
On the topic of States' Rights and Cavalier society, please consider viewing this brief video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IqNot1lxTM&t=18s





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#73
If the Cavalier adherents in the South needed Cavalier society, why didn't they come out for their king in 1776 and 1812?  Why didn't they bother to grow enough food for themselves in the Civil War?  The population density was low, they probably could have even bought shoes by selling their excess. Why did so many of them stay home or desert in the Civil War?
#74
I recently bumped into a different take on pirates. At least a significant number of them. Some were displaced Jews from the Spanish inquisition. 

https://archive.org/details/jewish-pirat...ean_202010

For the most part, they just hated the Spanish.

Now, how does this fit in with the American Civil War?
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#75
There are two ways to look at the French invasion of Algeria in 1830.

One was, the French freed all the people who were clearly of European descent whom they found in the land they gradually conquered.  There was no room for them back in the coastal states of Europe which they or their ancestors had come from and they possibly would have faced second-class status, so they might have gone to America.

Another is, some of the people of European descent were somewhat free and vested in Barbary States society and were able to leave, or perhaps escaped.  This may have led the French to perceive that Algeria had gotten weaker.  Perhaps pirating was becoming harder and they thought they'd try their hand at moving in to the not very well governed Indian lands of the Southeast US.  Perhaps their people already had ties there and they knew that a dark-skinned person who was partially of African descent could blend right in.  While pirate captains, ship owners, and investors might have done quite well for themselves, the deck crews may not have been doing that well and may have thought to try a life of farming.  

The analysis is beyond my skill but doesn't it seem that there were rather too many Confederates to have come mostly from Ireland and Scotland?  The land which was taken from the natives sure filled up fast, plus quite a few of them went to California looking for gold.

It would sure explain why Colin Kaepernick looks just like Algerian olympic boxer Imane Khelif.
#76
(10-25-2025, 12:18 PM)Solvedit Wrote: The analysis is beyond my skill but doesn't it seem that there were rather too many Confederates to have come mostly from Ireland and Scotland?  The land which was taken from the natives sure filled up fast, plus quite a few of them went to California looking for gold.


People may say they multiplied when they came here but many Confederate soldiers had too little food and no shoes.  

Why would they work and raise large families on farms, then suddenly reduce production just when they needed it the most?  

It seems to imply there were suddenly a lot of newcomers on too little land to fully support them.
#77
Sailors would introduce pigs to uninhabited islands so they would have a source of wild meat to forage. Sailors landing in North America could easily introduce the same pigs they had used to supply ships in the Caribbean when they became known as Buccaneers after the French word for the green branches they would smoke meat on.

The wild pigs may have been hunted to extinction during lean years such as the blockade or the Great Depression, or for all I know they could have been there all along.

They could have continued to sell dried meat to sailing ships and purchased powder and bullets as well as getting their guns repaired or replaced.

If they had conquered weaker tribes or traded with natives for captives, they could have bought knowledge of the local plants and animals which they possessed.

Regardless of how it started, the Proclamation Line set aside most of what is now Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi as well as Ohio, so conditions would not have been as radically different as you portray.
 
(05-12-2025, 06:01 PM)Byrd Wrote: The triggering point for the Proclamation was Pontiac's Rebellion...This would mean that the pirates somehow turned up in Ohio and beyond in great numbers...

Let's run the scenario so we can see what's likely to turn up:
  • pirates come ashore in 1650.  ... they...have no way of making more gunpowder and they don't know where to find lead ore to smelt to make lead for bullets. 
  • They have their shipboard supplies, no women, no farming tools -- and no horses, so they're on foot. 
  • Once their food from the ship runs out, they have to hunt and the only edible animals that are easily found are squirrels (and they're not easy to hunt.  My dad was a squirrel hunter.)  Any deer hunter can tell you can spend weeks hunting them and not get close enough to kill one.  The pirates could fish, of course, but that means they have to stay near reasonably large bodies of water (because the only fish you get in tiny creeks are minnows.)

I don't see any way for more than a handful of pirates to survive and reach that area.   Those numbers are far too tiny to have an impact on the Proclamation Line.
#78
One minute long Youtube short:

This 400 Year Old Cold Case Mystery Solved - YouTube
#79
(11-21-2025, 05:40 PM)Solvedit Wrote: This 400 Year Old Cold Case Mystery Solved - YouTube


I still have questions, but he seems certain that "croatoan" was the name for Hatteras Island....
#80
The Confederacy allegedly bought up many of Europe's obsolete percussion smoothbore muskets from before the design of the "Minie ball" or Baker bullet and rifling.

Can it be some of them had in fact been brought in the 1840s by people intending to emigrate to the USA, perhaps with the intention of obtaining for the settlers their own colony?  Then hastily stamped with Confederate acceptance marks during the war to obfuscate their origin?  Perhaps the Gold Rush disrupted some plans.

On the other hand, perhaps the South's blockade of its own cotton crop led to them not being able to afford the latest weaponry for all their men, or perhaps the men armed with the obsolete 1830s and 1840s muskets were somehow involved with the vigilance committees who blockaded their own ports, and perhaps the South concluded they didn't deserve the latest weaponry.



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