Science Is Magic

[85303]

For some reason, the system did not display my first attempt at posting the above post and then seemed to ask me to post it again, so I did.

Bugs are getting beaten out of the code 

[UltraBudgie]

Clarke's Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

Or how about:

"Our Method is Science, Our Aim is Religion." - Aleister Crowley, Eight Lectures on Yoga


Some say science has become a religion, so perhaps mission accomplished Mr Crowley?

[Sirius]

Some say science has become a religion, so perhaps mission accomplished Mr Crowley?

Crowley and friends took science and magic to a whole new level just to get laid on the moon.

[Byrd]

Although science today has become largely flat, commercialize, devoid of consideration of anything other than itself, this vitality remains. It can still be seen, and in fact can never be eliminated. The universe doesn't work that way. And it's heartening to see this being acknowledged, even if only at the academic fringes.

(sigh)

You don't know any scientists (PhDs, postgrads doing research), I suppose?

[UltraBudgie]

(sigh)

You don't know any scientists (PhDs, postgrads doing research), I suppose?

Oh there's water at the bottom of the trenches still, for sure. Been there, done that. But the view from a hill nearby, of the battle of reason verses the unknown, is one where positions have become entrenched and the heroism of legend has left the field. It's a struggle, serving a brutal machine that transmutes youthful idealism into man-years of drudgery, and for what? Tenure, ego, and dollars?

(Well that was cynical. But you get my point I hope. "Science" as an entity within culture. The tone has changed.)

Now, back to magic...

[Maxmars]

It's easy for people to assume the imagery of the scientific community conforms to the "polish" of academia, the "theater" of media productions, or the "characterization" of activist utterances.  The same principle applies to many 'professions' or 'callings.'

We often overlook the common denominator, that we are all people, subject to the world in similar ways, responding to pressures and goals from both others, and ourselves.

That "science" has been 'veneered' and cast into memery, is not unique to science.  

They are not the victims of it... we all are.

The cultural affectations of "institutions" and "foundations" are what flavor their imagery...

We just have to deny enough ignorance to register it as a factor, and adjust our evaluations of it accordingly.

just my $.02... forgive the interruption.

[Sirius]

Back to the magic yes.  Some peoples careers that is maybe worth pursuing, some of them already mentioned.

• Isaac Newton (1642–1726): Known primarily for his contributions to physics and mathematics, Newton also engaged deeply in alchemy and biblical interpretation, which included elements considered occult 3 5
  
• John Dee (1527–1608): A mathematician, astronomer, and advisor to Queen Elizabeth I, Dee was also an occult philosopher and alchemist. He is known for his work in Enochian magic 1
  
• Jack Parsons (1914–1952): A pioneer in rocket science and co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Parsons was heavily involved in occult practices and was a follower of Aleister Crowley’s Thelema 4 5
  
• Paracelsus (1493–1541): A medical pioneer who integrated alchemical practices into medicine, Paracelsus is often associated with occult philosophy 1
  
• Robert Fludd (1574–1637): An English physician and occult philosopher, Fludd was known for his writings on astrology and the mystical aspects of science 1
  
• Aleister Crowley (1875–1947): Although primarily known as an occultist, Crowley had significant influence on modern esoteric traditions, including some scientific circles interested in the intersection of science and spirituality 2
  

[AlienSun]

I'd love to discuss if you have more than a few predictable predictions.  Seems sort of like if anyone here would comment on what quantum entanglement means for space travel or the basic human need revolution that is definately coming.  Sometimes we can with clarity predict what will without a doubt unfold but that in no way makes it an unlikely prediction or even worse as people believe this guy some kind of technological prophet.

[UltraBudgie]

Some peoples careers that is maybe worth pursuing, some of them already mentioned.

Oh great list thank you. Perhaps add Rupert Sheldrake. His mophogenic field theories seem like thinly-veiled magic. What I really admire about Rupert is that he never spirals too far into woo-woo land. I suppose he was a good friend to Terence McKenna in that regard. He solidly anchors his models in testable hypotheses, then writes books about them. Flip a coin with "science" on one side and "the supernatural" on the other, and my bet is he wins either way.

Seems sort of like if anyone here would comment on what quantum entanglement means for space travel or the basic human need revolution that is definately coming.  Sometimes we can with clarity predict what will without a doubt unfold but that in no way makes it an unlikely prediction or even worse as people believe this guy some kind of technological prophet.

I believe there is an evolving science of ambiguity, and non-determinism, that we will begin to make tractable with AI "black-box" analysis of raw data beyond the compositional scope of a single human. The topology of the landscape of knowledge, mapped with non-determinable (to us, anyway) probing. This is all very out-there sounding right now; the language isn't there yet. I feel this is something that, in retrospect, many of the great mind of the last century have been reaching for, in their attempt to ground ideas of "quantum superposition" and "unified fields" in tangible reality. Sort of, can we trace a known path around bits and pieces of the "unknown unknown", as Mr Rumsfeld might say? Dunno. Maybe we're the aliens attempt to do so, haha.

[Sirius]

Oh great list thank you. Perhaps add Rupert Sheldrake. His mophogenic field theories seem like thinly-veiled magic. What I really admire about Rupert is that he never spirals too far into woo-woo land. I suppose he was a good friend to Terence McKenna in that regard. He solidly anchors his models in testable hypotheses, then writes books about them. Flip a coin with "science" on one side and "the supernatural" on the other, and my bet is he wins either way.

Rupert get's away with it because he adds spirituality and serenity, his wife sounds like something special or I don't know where he gets all the feminine energy from. 

The problem for me going down the quantum route is you end up in no time, what happens in-between the time synapses fire?   There is an eternity in every moment...too weird.  It has to be limited at a useful point or you just end up staring at the abyss in horror.