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"Satan's Little Season" is underway; tribulation & final judgment next up...?
#1
Hi folks,

This is my second thread on denyignorance.com, my first was about the severe & unrelenting spiritual attack I suffered for approximately seven weeks earlier this year, before God delivered me & set my feet in an expansive place, where I once again feel secure in my faith, and in my life more generally.

Over the majority of this year, I've been quite interested in trying to understand a confluence of certain conspiracy theories, including the Tartaria kingdom that was allegedly present over (at least) the past thousand years just prior to the 19th & 20th centuries.  In that civilisation, which appears to have been widespread across Europe & America, massive, grand edifices were constructed in abundance, only for most of them to be literally ripped down & replaced by far lesser works of architecture in the late 19th & early 20th century.  Particularly in America there is much photographic evidence from the world fairs that went on, that INCREDIBLE constructions were in evidence all over America, which were utterly destroyed, seemingly without reason, during a very short period of time at the end of the 19th century, to make way for lesser, new edifices.  The mythology suggests that an elder civilisation (Tartaria) was responsible for the incredible works of architecture all over America, Europe (including Russia), only for a sudden massive drop in population to occur 'somehow', with orphans being shipped out to empty cities all over the place to repopulate them, for they had been standing empty since the 'disaster/reset', whatever may have caused it.  

Of course, if the legend of Tartaria is in any way true, then we have been very comprehensively lied to about 'the dark ages' & our European & world history, I suspect since around the time of the American revolution.  The 'Enlightenment' then, was an attempt to craft a new comprehensive history that could be agreed upon, hiding some grand secret, and an effort to expand a worldly 'science' which could provide the foundation for progress over the next 250 years or so, to the present time.  The gist of my conspiratorial bones for this theory is that the Second Coming of Christ already happened, very early on after his original death, resurrection & ascension.  He even said at that time that some of his disciples would still be alive when He returned.  So did Christ return, setting up the Millennial Reign of Christ for at least a thousand years thereafter, with a new science of grand architecture producing the cathedrals where He was honoured by the people, and the incredible architecture in the New World that was all comprehensively destroyed in the 19th & early 20th centuries, to hide that fact?  The Millennial kingdom would have stood for at least a thousand years, likely more, only for some sort of disaster to occur when Satan was loosed 'for a time' as per the prophecy in the Book of the Revelation of St John, which eventually led to a bunch of deaths, and massive cities standing literally empty (there's some great photographic evidence of this in terms of St Petersburg), soon to be repopulated with orphans from all over the world, and migrants from the places that had somehow withstood the disaster?   And did Satan then come up with some sort of Masterplan during the Enlightenment, which deliberately sought to turn men towards atheism rather than faith, with a growing trend in that direction in the 250 years hence?

It is my contention, after studying the flat earth theory for some time, that Satan's Masterplan included some 'cornerstone' ideas, which would serve to distract & dissuade Mankind from belief in God, one of which being the 'globe Earth' conspiracy.  If he could prove to Mankind that they lived on a spinning ball in the vast cold, dead, empty, godless void of 'outer space', then there would be no need to acknowledge the Cosmic Architect who had crafted a flat realm with an infinite eternal universe of Heaven expanding in all directions forever just beyond the realm of the Earth, a flat realm circumscribed by an icy wilderness, with a firmament overhead, above which is Heaven & the domain of the eternal realms, not a universe of 'outer space' as heliocentrism would rather successfully posit during the Enlightenment.  I know that the flat earth theory is contentious, but you must understand that when heliocentric theory was being proposed, there was vast opposition because of a number of scientific objections, including the problem of parallax, which suggested indeed that this world is 'geocentric', with the North Pole being the centre of the world, and Antarctica circumscribing the outer perimeter, with the Sun & Moon being local luminaries which travelled around the world just below the roof of the firmament, several kilometres (around 70km) above our heads.  There are multiple strands of photographic, video & calculation evidence which support this likelihood, and as this thread progresses I will be happy to entertain debate on the points that suggest the truth of the flat earth concept - but please be aware that the main gist is actually the lost kingdom of the Millennial Reign, known colloquially as 'Tartaria', the mystery of the disappearance of the citizenry (the Rapture, perhaps?) & the repopulation effort with orphans & migrants, mainly from Central Europe, who somehow resisted the massive depopulation that occurred when Satan was released for his 'little season' where he would seek to destroy the faith of Mankind in a Creator God who had built this realm specifically as a habitat for Humanity.  What comes next then, is the final tribulation & the final judgment - the Millennial Reign (& possibly also the Rapture) having already occurred before Satan was released 'for a little while' to sow division & godless belief systems, before the final accounting of the Human Race.

I welcome open & honest debate & discussion; please stick to the main thrust of the topic, with sidebars examining the evidence for the flat Earth theory as necessary.  Remember - Satan is tricking us about the nature of & shape of the Earth specifically to remove the otherwise obvious implication that there must have been a Creator God who crafted a glorious, perfectly harmonious & well-prepared flat realm with firmament, with luminaries, with Heaven above & beyond in all directions forever..  Thanks for your interest!

Kind Regards,



Elijah1771.
#2
(10-24-2025, 07:24 AM)Elijah1771 Wrote: Hi folks,

This is my second thread on denyignorance.com, my first was about the severe & unrelenting spiritual attack I suffered for approximately seven weeks earlier this year, before God delivered me & set my feet in an expansive place, where I once again feel secure in my faith, and in my life more generally.

... Thanks for your interest!

Kind Regards,



Elijah1771.


You seem a natural at thread-making.

Just a friendly comment, with such a vast and broad introduction... it is difficult to respond. 
I like to keep the coloring within the lines but it gets blurry with a big OP.

I understand some of your points, and there is a lot there to explore... but I am unsure where exactly to begin.  Clearly you have shown your perspective well, but what happens if the perspective itself is challenged; rather than a specific idea... not that it will happen...

If you are responsive to the threads you create, it is much easier to accommodate the ebb and flow of other voices...  if you don't remain involved. other voices will fill the gap...

Having breadth of scope is not frowned upon or even without use...

You've introduced a number of topic areas...

All meant with respect, of course...

I thought there was strong resistance to the Tartaria stories...
#3
Tartaria has been widely and thoroughly debunked. What 'photographic evidence' do you have?
#4
Obviously Tartaria and Flat Earth are true; evidence doesn't matter, as any inconsistencies merely point to where the world is full of lies.

What I am wondering though, is why the luminaries in the sky follow paths that can be so well described with mathematical models that assume spherical bodies? Is that part of the delusion, and if so, why would it be built in to the sky itself?

Also curious about how "satellites" stay up. I'm thinking balloons—NASA is the largest consumer of helium—but that doesn't explain how they zip around so fast.
#5
The Second Coming of Christ has not yet occurred. It will be visible, final, and cosmic—not hidden in architecture or lost history. The Church Fathers interpret the “Millennial Reign” as the present age of the Church, not a forgotten empire.

Flat earth theories contradict both patristic teaching and observable reality. Saints like Basil and John of Damascus affirmed a spherical earth. Satan’s true deception is moral, not geometric—he tempts us away from repentance, not toward architectural conspiracies.
#6
(10-24-2025, 11:09 PM)Mr Roboto Wrote: The Church Fathers interpret the “Millennial Reign” as the present age of the Church, not a forgotten empire.

I am curious if you believe the current authorities presiding over the modern church (in it's various denominations) are the "Church Fathers". Usually that term refers to Early Christian theologians of the 1st-8th century. Well over a millennium ago. Which I believe predates the "Empire of Tartaria"?

But I believe you are correct about the obfuscation of moral discernment, that certainly is a major trick. Just don't think it's the only one.
#7
I have a couple points that are noteworthy. First, it requires us to zoom up and look at the bigger picture, and also zero in and look at the original picture.

The fact is, the conspiracy theory realm in general has had just about every fresh water lake and river muddied to death. We see this all the time. First, we have the original conspiracy, then time goes by - and people add a ton of bullshit to it. The intent is either to muddy the waters, or piggyback off the success of the original conspiracy, and put their own take on it. Which usually entails people adding bullshit to the original conspiracy. In either case, sabotage of the truth becomes the end game.

The perfect example of this is Tartaria. While the original conspiracy came out long ago. The flat earth BS was added to it much later. The same goes for 'Satan's little season' - which came even farther after the flat earth BS. These were both added to the original conspiracy. Which are both such outlandish claims, that no one would believe the original. 

What I just described can be related to quite literally every other conspiracy theory out there.
#8
(10-25-2025, 12:15 AM)KKLoco Wrote: What I just described can be related to quite literally every other conspiracy theory out there.

Very correct. Let's not slag too much on Flat Earth—it's a valuable thought-experiment, in my opinion—but it is in no way required for theories of hidden history, eschatology, etc. Yet it's all blended together, as you say. Nefariously, to hide the "truth"? Perhaps. No way to disprove that. But I also think it speaks to the nature of truth itself. It doesn't exists, as such. It's a contrivance, at best a convenience, a gloss of perception and implicitly-assumed categorization. The best one can hope for is consistent utility: this is why most "truthers" are technologists.

Worldviews are parallel universes. I like how Douglas Adams described things:

"The first thing to realize about parallel universes ... is that they are not parallel."

"It is also important to realize that they are not, strictly speaking, universes either, but it is easiest if you don’t try to realize that until a little later, after you’ve realized that everything you’ve realized up to that moment is not true."

"The reason they are not universes is that any given universe is not actually a thing as such, but is just a way of looking at what is technically known as the WSOGMM, or a Whole Sort of General Mish Mash. The Whole Sort of General Mish Mash doesn’t actually exist either, but is just the sum total of all the different ways there would be of looking at it if it did."

"The reason they are not parallel is the same reason the sea is not parallel. It doesn’t mean anything. You can slice the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash any way you like and you will generally come up with something that someone will call home."



We're all just trying to find a truth that feels like home.
#9
Tartaria and the mud flood nonsense have been debunked.

It's good crack all the same in an alternative reality sort of manner.

But there is no credible evidence of a global "mud flood" burying ancient civilisations.

Historical and archaeological records don't show evidence of such.

Buildings claimed to be buried often simply reflect normal construction, renovations, or local floods as opposed to some sort of cataclysm.

As to flat Earth, well the planet is a spheroid, and photos from space and satellite imagery clearly show it's curved shape.

Ships disappear hull-first over a horizon....

Lunar eclipses reveal a round shadow of the Earth.

Not to mention the other planetary bodies in our solar system that are all oblate spheroids as opposed to flat.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#10
(10-25-2025, 05:17 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Tartaria and the mud flood nonsense have been debunked.

You just added to my point, thank you. The 'mud flood' BS was added to the Tartaria conspiracy much later, as well. Forgot to add that one. This just furthers my point more. No one is willing to talk about Tartaria, without bringing up later added BS like flat earth, Satan's little season, and mud floods. So the whole subject gets squashed because of later added BS.

I'm not coming down on you because the OP did this to himself by bringing that crap up.