Psychiatry Pseudoscience?

[Karl12]

• "Virtually every leading psychiatrist in North America between the 1940s and the 1970's was involved in some aspect of the CIA’s mind control research.”

Dr. Colin A. Ross, M.D.

Came across these two short videos whilst looking into the CIA/Rockefeller sponsored MKUltra experiments and thought there was some pretty revealing content being discussed about how there exists no actual evidence for any of the claims made in psychiatry (and how it's all just based on opinions from vested interests).

Perhaps we should look deeper before blindly trusting "authorities" with our mental health.

Also, as award acceptance speeches go, thought this was a bit of a classic from Dr. Jeffrey Schaler who raised some rather thought provoking points.

• Dr. Jeffrey Schaler Professor of Psychology describes psychiatry as a pseudo science:












When it comes to pharmaceutical cartel sponsored psychiatry then there are also some pretty powerful statements being made below by various medical professionals.

Pretty sobering reading for those who have been convinced by these people to dose their loved ones with extremely powerful psychotropic drugs.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how psychiatry can not be considered a pseudosciemce considering it's absolute lack of objective evidence?

Would be interested to hear any thoughts on the content of the vids or statements made below.

Cheers.

[Maxmars]

Excellent topic!

I have to admit, this one feel extra 'dark' to me.  The idea of a confidence games being played on patients always creeps me out... it feels no longer wise to consider that all doctors are honorable healers 'by default.'  Sad that.

I find it "thought-provoking' that a person living alone on a deserted island cannot be considered 'insane.'  'Sanity' and mental health are often mostly about 'others around you' and not really you. 

Psychiatrists, and their lesser ilk psychologist, are free to 'diagnose' all manner of 'mental' disease - often with little or no directly measurable physical evidence... that is a great deal of power, and thus engenders a great deal of wealth.  Such dynamics are easily abused.

I'll be back to comment further, thank you. 

[Karl12]

Excellent topic!

I have to admit, this one feel extra 'dark' to me.  The idea of a confidence games being played on patients always creeps me out... it feels no longer wise to consider that all doctors are honorable healers 'by default.'  Sad that.

Very sad indeed mate and probably no accident that quackademics from the Rockefeller's 'Hastings Centre' and the WEF's 'Future of Health Care Committee' are now openly advocating for the banning of the hippocratic oath (amongst other things).

Have to say that speech by psychologist Jeffrey Schaler was quite a refreshing one and I do have respect for the field of 'psychology' - anyway there are some relevant statements below made by professionals regarding 'psychiatry' and perhaps the last one sums things up the best.

• "'Mental illness’ is terribly misleading because the ‘mental disorders’ we diagnose are no more than descriptions of what clinicians observe people do or say, not at all well established diseases

Statement of Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman, 2015





• “While DSM has been described as a ‘Bible’ for the field, it is, at best, a dictionary…. The weakness is its lack of validity. Unlike our definitions of ischemic heart disease, lymphoma, or AIDS, the DSM diagnoses are based on a consensus about clusters of clinical symptoms, not any objective laboratory measure. In the rest of medicine, this would be equivalent to creating diagnostic systems based on the nature of chest pain or the quality of fever.”

Thomas Insel, Director of the National Institute of Mental Health




• “There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” “There is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bull—. I mean, you just can’t define it.”

Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman




• “Virtually anyone at any given time can meet the criteria for bipolar disorder or ADHD. Anyone. And the problem is everyone diagnosed with even one of these ‘illnesses’ triggers the pill dispenser.”

Dr. Stefan Kruszewski, Psychiatrist




• “Despite more than two hundred years of intensive research, no commonly diagnosed psychiatric disorders have proven to be either genetic or biological in origin, including schizophrenia, major depression, manic-depressive disorder, the various anxiety disorders, and childhood disorders such as attention-deficit hyperactivity. At present there are no known biochemical imbalances in the brain of typical psychiatric patients—until they are given psychiatric drugs.”

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist




• "While there has been “no shortage of alleged biochemical explanations for psychiatric conditions…not one has been proven. Quite the contrary. In every instance where such an imbalance was thought to have been found, it was later proven false.”

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist




• “The theories are held on to not only because there is nothing else to take their place, but also because they are useful in promoting drug treatment.”

Dr. Elliott Valenstein Ph.D., author of Blaming the Brain




• “There is no blood or other biological test to ascertain the presence or absence of a mental illness, as there is for most bodily diseases. If such a test were developed … then the condition would cease to be a mental illness and would be classified, instead, as a symptom of a bodily disease.”

Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, New York University Medical School, Syracuse




• “We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate ADHD is due to a brain malfunction.”

Final statement of the panel from the National Institutes of Health Consensus Conference on ADHD




• "DSM IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document. To its credit it says so — although its brief apologia is rarely noted. DSM IV has become a bible and a money making best seller — its major failings notwithstanding. It confines and defines practice, some take it seriously, others more realistically. It is the way to get paid. Diagnostic reliability is easy to attain for research projects. The issue is what do the categories tell us? Do they in fact accurately represent the person with a problem? They don’t, and can’t, because there are no external validating criteria for psychiatric diagnoses.”

Psychiatrist Loren Mosher, former Chief of NIMH’s Center for Studies of Schizophrenia, head of Schizophrenia Research, National Institute of Mental health




• “The way things get into the DSM is not based on blood test or brain scan or physical findings. It’s based on descriptions of behavior. And that’s what the whole psychiatry system is.”

Dr Colin Ross, Psychiatrist




• “Psychiatry has never been driven by science. They have no biological or genetic basis for these illnesses and the National Institutes of Mental Health are totally committed to the pharmacological line. … There is a great deal of scientific evidence that stimulants cause brain damage with long-term use, yet there is no evidence that these mental illnesses, such as ADHD, exist.”

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist




• “No claim for a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation.”

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist




• “In reality, psychiatric diagnosing is a kind of spiritual profiling that can destroy lives and frequently does.”

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist




• “…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.”

Dr. David Kaiser, Psychiatrist




• “There’s no biological imbalance. When people come to me and they say, ‘I have a biochemical imbalance,’ I say, ‘Show me your lab tests.’ There are no lab tests. So what’s the biochemical imbalance?”

Dr. Ron Leifer, Psychiatrist




• “No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease. That’s not what diseases are. Diseases are malfunctions of the human body, of the heart, the liver, the kidney, the brain. Typhoid fever is a disease. Spring fever is not a disease; it is a figure of speech, a metaphoric disease. All mental diseases are metaphoric diseases, misrepresented as real diseases and mistaken for real diseases.”

Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus




• “It has occurred to me with forcible irony that psychiatry has quite literally lost its mind, and along with it the minds of the patients they are presumably supposed to care for.”— David Kaiser, Psychiatrist




• “DSM-IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document… DSM-IV has become a bible and a money making bestseller—its major failings notwithstanding.”— Loren Mosher, M.D., Clinical Professor of Psychiatry




• “All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.”

Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist




• “Psychiatry [makes]… unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist




• "In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”

Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK




• “I believe, until the public and psychiatry itself see that DSM labels are not only useless as medical ‘diagnoses’ but also have the potential to do great harm—particularly when they are used as means to deny individual freedoms, or as weapons by psychiatrists acting as hired guns for the legal system.”

Dr. Sydney Walker III, psychiatrist




• “The way things get into the DSM is not based on blood test or brain scan or physical findings. It’s based on descriptions of behavior. And that’s what the whole psychiatry system is.

Dr. Colin Ross, psychiatrist




• “No biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers have been found for Attention Deficit Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Depression, Schizophrenia, anxiety, compulsive alcohol and drug abuse, overeating, gambling or any other so-called mental illness, disease, or disorder.”

Bruce Levine, Ph.D., psychologist and author of Commonsense Rebellion




• “Unlike medical diagnoses that convey a probable cause, appropriate treatment and likely prognosis, the disorders listed in DSM-IV [and ICD-10] are terms arrived at through peer consensus."

Tana Dineen Ph.D., psychologist




• “It’s not science. It’s politics and economics. That’s what psychiatry is: politics and economics. Behavior control, it is not science, it is not medicine."

Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus

Cheers.

[FlyersFan]

Does anyone have any thoughts on how psychiatry can not be considered a pseudosciemce considering it's absolute lack of objective evidence?

Sure.   I know 4 schizophrenics.   I know that with one of them, if she is off her risperidone she is tormented by demons.  Day and night nonstop.  If she's on the risperidone, it all stops.  Psychiatry may not fully understand schizophrenia or how the medicines work, but they do work.  I'd call that anecdotal evidence that psychiatry is not pseudoscience.

[ArMaP]

Sure.   I know 4 schizophrenics.   I know that with one of them, if she is off her risperidone she is tormented by demons.  Day and night nonstop.  If she's on the risperidone, it all stops.  Psychiatry may not fully understand schizophrenia or how the medicines work, but they do work.  I'd call that anecdotal evidence that psychiatry is not pseudoscience.

I know and my elder sister knows another one, and the same thing happens to them.

Chemistry itself is not as black and white as most people think (said a person with a chemistry degree to my sister), knowing why it interacts with our own is even more complex.

We sometimes forget that these things are relatively knew and we have much to learn.

[Kenzo]

Came across these two short videos whilst looking into the CIA/Rockefeller sponsored MKUltra experiments and thought there was some pretty revealing content being discussed about how there exists no actual evidence for any of the claims made in psychiatry (and how it's all just based on opinions from vested interests).




Video:







Also, as award acceptance speeches go, thought this was a bit of a classic from Dr. Jeffrey Schaler who raised some rather thought provoking points.



Video:

• Dr. Jeffrey Schaler Professor of Psychology describes psychiatry as a pseudo science:

https://youtu.be/_-iYngr6N60


When it comes to pharmaceutical cartel sponsored psychiatry then there are also some pretty powerful statements being made below by various medical professionals.

Pretty sobering reading for those who have been convinced by these people to dose their loved ones with extremely powerful psychotropic drugs.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how psychiatry can not be considered a pseudosciemce considering it's absolute lack of objective evidence?

Would be interested to hear any thoughts on the content of the vids or statements made below.

Cheers.

My thoughts about the video . The guy saying that " chemical imbalance is a lie"  . I dont agree that , it`s not all truth about this . I think there are indeed many conditions that do effect mind in negative way .

But psychiatry pseudoscience ?  I think it is pseudoscience as it has been , with giving poisonous drugs etc and creating new diagnose criterias etc...

In 1960s they started talking about serotonin imbalance , then few years ago they say low serotonin does not cause of depression. ok so people were eating the drugs to correct low serotonin like 60 years . It is good business thought, a lot money to be made by selling the drugs .

Study: Low serotonin not cause of depression

It was the Rockefeller who originally was starting the modern medicine , diverting it to wrong direction .

[Karl12]

Psychiatry may not fully understand schizophrenia or how the medicines work, but they do work.  I'd call that anecdotal evidence that psychiatry is not pseudoscience.

Nice one FlyersFan and yes despite there being no biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers for the condition that truly is some interesting anecdotal evidence.

Don't know if you went through the info at the link (or read through the statements) but thought there was a very important point made in it.

None of this is to say that people do not experience emotional or behavioral problems, but the fact remains the diagnosis are not a disease and the treatments (drugs) are not without serious, even life threatening risks.  Whatever choice people make, they deserve the facts in order to make an informed decision.

It also states as fact that 'there are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition' but I certainly wish that girl all the best and genuinely do appreciate the input.

Suppose there's also a darker flipside and thought there was some important and disturbing content below about 'dosing' the military - the part where extremely powerful mind altering psychotropic drugs are being listed can be found at 3:10.





Behind The Epidemic Of Military Suicides

Cheers.

[FlyersFan]

It also states as fact that 'there are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition' but I certainly wish that girl all the best and genuinely do appreciate the input.

Correct.  There is no way to check the body and determine that schizophrenia exists. No blood tests ... no brain scans ...  It's all based on what the person is experiencing and how they experience it and for how long.  We don't know why it's there, we don't know why the medicine works.  But it does.  (most of the time).

[Karl12]

In 1960s they started talking about serotonin imbalance , then few years ago they say low serotonin does not cause of depression. ok so people were eating the drugs to correct low serotonin like 60 years . It is good business thought, a lot money to be made by selling the drugs .

Study: Low serotonin not cause of depression

It was the Rockefeller who originally was starting the modern medicine , diverting it to wrong direction .

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the video mate and yes some great marketing on Big Pharma's part there - apparently almost everybody still believes it.

Researchers say their findings are important as studies show that as many as 85-90% of the public believes that depression is caused by low serotonin or a chemical imbalance.

Link

Pretty crazy stuff and although it's an older article it does state below that 'the conflict of interest between psychiatry and Big Pharma is now under congressional investigation'.

Shrinks For Sale: Psychiatry’s Conflicted Alliance

The Corrupt Alliance of the Psychiatric-Pharmaceutical Industry

Within a month of the APA’s announcement, its conflicts came under criticism again with the release of a study that found that 18 of the 20 members overseeing the revision of clinical guidelines for treating just three “mental disorders” had financial ties to drug companies. The common diagnoses generate some $25 billion a year in pharmaceutical sales..

With the U.S. prescribing antipsychotics to children and adolescents at a rate six times greater than the U.K., and with 30 million Americans having taken antidepressants for a “chemical imbalance” that psychiatrists admit is a pharmaceutical marketing campaign, not scientific fact, it is no wonder that the conflict of interest between psychiatry and Big Pharma is under congressional investigation.

Shrinks For Sale: Psychiatry’s Conflicted Alliance

You're not wrong about those Rockefellers either - they have an insanely dodgy history and, as well as being closely involved in the formation and/or financial backing of the AMA, FDA, CDC and the WHO they also are part of 'the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world'.

The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world.

Link

Cheers.

[FlickerOfLight]

My humble vantage point of this.

In my MK-ULTRA research things like psychic abilities were also looked into.

I wonder if this is them trying to keep certain people thinking they are "crazy" rather than "gifted." To make something that is a blessing sound like a burden. Then of course prescribe a strong psychotropic drug on them to subdue their "gift."

I can see this being the case in some people.

That was my first thought on this.