"Most Liberal Colleges" listed... But,.. why?

[FlyersFan]

The above says more about you -- than anything else.

Nope.  It says you think indoctrination, bias and hate are 'free thinking"
because it's coming from the left and that's fine and dandy with you.   

[UltraBudgie]

And they've become cesspools of indoctrination, bias, and hate.

They hate when you quote Chomsky at them:

Well, that's pretty much what the schools are like, I think: they reward discipline and obedience, and they punish independence of mind. If you happen to be a little innovative, or maybe you forgot to come to school one day because you were reading a book or something, that's a tragedy, that's a crime–because you're not supposed to think, you're supposed to obey, and just proceed through the material in whatever way they require.

And in fact, most of the people who make it through the education system and get into the elite universities are able to do it because they've been willing to obey a lot of stupid orders for years and years–that's the way I did it, for example. Like, you're told by some teacher, "do this," which you know makes no sense whatsoever, but you do it, and if you do it you get thinnest rung, and then you obey the next order, and finally you work your way through and they give you your letters: an awful lot of education is like that, form the very beginning. Some people go along with it because they figure, "Okay, I'll do any stupid thing that asshole says because I want to get ahead"; others do it because they've just internalized the values–but after a while, those two things tend to get sort of blurred. But you do it or else you're put: you ask too many questions and you're going to get in trouble. ¹




¹ https://dayonecomptwo.files.wordpress.co...chools.doc Noam Chomsky: “On Schools”, from Understanding Power, 2002. (2 page doc file)

[WallFlowerActive]

They hate when you quote Chomsky at them:

Well, that's pretty much what the schools are like, I think: they reward discipline and obedience, and they punish independence of mind. If you happen to be a little innovative, or maybe you forgot to come to school one day because you were reading a book or something, that's a tragedy, that's a crime–because you're not supposed to think, you're supposed to obey, and just proceed through the material in whatever way they require.

And in fact, most of the people who make it through the education system and get into the elite universities are able to do it because they've been willing to obey a lot of stupid orders for years and years–that's the way I did it, for example. Like, you're told by some teacher, "do this," which you know makes no sense whatsoever, but you do it, and if you do it you get thinnest rung, and then you obey the next order, and finally you work your way through and they give you your letters: an awful lot of education is like that, form the very beginning. Some people go along with it because they figure, "Okay, I'll do any stupid thing that asshole says because I want to get ahead"; others do it because they've just internalized the values–but after a while, those two things tend to get sort of blurred. But you do it or else you're put: you ask too many questions and you're going to get in trouble. ¹




¹ https://dayonecomptwo.files.wordpress.co...chools.doc Noam Chomsky: “On Schools”, from Understanding Power, 2002. (2 page doc file)

I was thinking and arguing something like that but more simply on another thread.

I work with elementary students and help with their homework.  And it’s a challenge to work with a third grader to get them to do their homework because they just want to be a big game hunter.  They know the homework is BS.  And it’s a challenge to get them to understand the more you know, well the more you know.  Maybe that’s a justifying lie?  

What I didn’t post but was thinking about.  It’s amazing how the school system is all about “if you dream it, you can make it happen.”  But then the system is crappy to you if your dream doesn’t align with the systems dream.

[ANNEE]

What I didn’t post but was thinking about.  It’s amazing how the school system is all about “if you dream it, you can make it happen.”  But then the system is crappy to you if your dream doesn’t align with the systems dream.

I think high school should be all electives. 

By the time you hit high school you should have some idea of what your interests are and pursue those interests. 

Why be bored out of your mind with government and history when you could be enriching it in your chosen interest.

[David64]

I think high school should be all electives. 

By the time you hit high school you should have some idea of what your interests are and pursue those interests. 

Why be bored out of your mind with government and history when you could be enriching it in your chosen interest.

You're expecting a 13 - 14 year old to know what they want in Life, when they barely know what they want for lunch. Just because they are interested in something as a teenager, doesn't mean they will be in their mid 20s. I went to school with plenty of people who went on to much different things as an adult as opposed to what they were into as a teen.

[Maxmars]

You're expecting a 13 - 14 year old to know what they want in Life, when they barely know what they want for lunch. Just because they are interested in something as a teenager, doesn't mean they will be in their mid 20s. I went to school with plenty of people who went on to much different things as an adult as opposed to what they were into as a teen.

I don't disagree that there is a time when a child puts away the dream, and starts navigating towards it.

They may not be able to clearly apply life-experience to their ideas, and lack exposure to the almost
limitless potentials and possibilities of their choices... including how "wrong" they might be.

But I have met 13 and 14-year olds, that were more mature and clear thinking than a
quarter of the people we run across in this social world.  I have known young people,
merely teenagers... who probably represent the best of us...  they can make good, reasoned choices....
if we let them.... but we usually don't...
... because "they're just kids."   And ironically, some of the adults making those postured choices,
are continually making matters worse.... as the kids watch... and wonder... what the hell is wrong
with some adults?

Liberal colleges seem to focus the "liberal" narrative....  Presumably, conservative institutions are the same kind...

Abandoning the mission to teach... to embrace and proselytize something else... and get paid for it too... a sweet deal...  dealing with starry eyed college students... desperately wanting to "be someone."

[ANNEE]

You're expecting a 13 - 14 year old to know what they want in Life, when they barely know what they want for lunch. Just because they are interested in something as a teenager, doesn't mean they will be in their mid 20s. I went to school with plenty of people who went on to much different things as an adult as opposed to what they were into as a teen.

Words matter. I never said “want” — I said they know what they’re interests are.  

Teens today are far more aware of many things than I was not in my era — pre-computers. 

Start with kindergarten today. It used to be about play and socializing. Today a 4/5 year old is behind if they’re not already reading.