Power Trips and Male Flight Attendants

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

My turn to do one of these. 

You should probably expect rude uncaring service on Spirit Airlines. Even being kicked off a flight for having a toned midriff. They are so generally terrible nothing should be surprising.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/sp...-crop-tops

Objectionable clothing:



But this one is beyond objectionable for such a well-intended shirt. Delta this time.

https://people.com/veteran-kicked-off-de...rt-8731039

And the shirt in question:



And a quotable quote:

After getting off the plane, Banks said that the flight attendant told her that her shirt — which read "Do not give in to the war within. End veteran suicide" — was "threatening."

"I said, 'Are you kidding me?' " she recalled to the outlet. "I'm a Marine Corps vet. I'm going to see my Marine sister. I've been in the Marine Corps for 22 years and worked for the Air Force for 15 years. I'm going to visit her.' He said, 'I don't care about your service, and I don't care about her service. The only way you're going to get back on the plane is if you take it off right now.' "

And my editorializing. 

Even more callous and "mean-spirited" than the first one.

Yes, PTSD is very threatening, like that of a pissant role crazy woman-hating male flight attendant with his own issues taking them out on every woman possible.

I say that because there is no excuse for this PTSD PSA shirt to ever be restricted or deemed threatening, and it really seems like ulterior motives, and just like with Spirit Airlines, it is probably a frustrated little man's need to exert authority over women in a really controlling, direspectful, and heartless way.

I'm calling both these guys out for not being about safety at all, but about harshly enforcing rules to get off on abusing and inconveniencing women, inuding vets.

Rant concluded.

[UltraBudgie]

very sad topic -- male flight attendents are a tradgidy. 

no that is a joke attempt, sort of haha sad trombone not quite funny.

wounded warrior project is great for charity, has the best calenders and pens, but may be bit grifty

consider these guys
https://support22project.org/

and is good news no longer 22 veteran guneats per day, is now down to 17:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/...909134007/

which is still badnews but better these things are sad sad sad people
do all you can

[KKLoco]

I’m going out on a limb and saying they were gay drama queens. I’ve never seen a male flight attendant that’s not gay.

[Quantum12]

My turn to do one of these. 

You should probably expect rude uncaring service on Spirit Airlines. Even being kicked off a flight for having a toned midriff. They are so generally terrible nothing should be surprising.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/sp...-crop-tops

Objectionable clothing:

[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/i...16db26.jpg]

But this one is beyond objectionable for such a well-intended shirt. Delta this time.

https://people.com/veteran-kicked-off-de...rt-8731039

And the shirt in question:

[Image: https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/i...16db26.jpg]

And a quotable quote:



And my editorializing. 

Even more callous and "mean-spirited" than the first one.

Yes, PTSD is very threatening, like that of a pissant role crazy woman-hating male flight attendant with his own issues taking them out on every woman possible.

I say that because there is no excuse for this PTSD PSA shirt to ever be restricted or deemed threatening, and it really seems like ulterior motives, and just like with Spirit Airlines, it is probably a frustrated little man's need to exert authority over women in a really controlling, direspectful, and heartless way.

I'm calling both these guys out for not being about safety at all, but about harshly enforcing rules to get off on abusing and inconveniencing women, inuding vets.

Rant concluded.

In 2009 I was doing a job in Japan. The client wanted my to wear a leather top and leather pants. After my job I had to rush to the airport to make a Northwest flight to Hawaii! Northwest is now Delta!

I was kick off the flight. A male FA told me I look too provactive with my leather outfit. Lol! I did not have another shirt, my luggage was checked. I explained to the guy I have to be in Hawaii at a certain time.

He called the police and I was put in a room. Missed my flight. Had to buy a different outfit.

Northwest lost my luggage . I missed my job. The agent fired me. I said f it and flew to Maui and had the best time! ?

[Tecate]

Got “detained” once on a flight due to this being in my baggage with my boots and chaps…

Ha! They brought in an RCMP expert who explained that I’m not affiliated (anymore) and that I’m an independent.

Was pulled over in Northern California by a Sherriff’s Deputy on the PCH, all he wanted was to know how to join. Beautiful.

Sometimes they are just trying to flex, without knowing what they are doing.

Meh. Fuck ‘em


Tecate

[Tecate]

[UltraBudgie]

I almost always feel like I'm only hearing half the story with news stories like these.

[Maxmars]

Regarding the "end vet suicide" T-shirt:

Within the "contract of carriage" mentioned in that (second) link:

"According to Delta's contract of carriage for U.S. flights, the airline has sole discretion to determine whether or not passengers should be removed from a flight "for the passenger’s comfort or safety, for the comfort or safety of other passengers or Delta employees, or for the prevention of damage to the property of Delta or its passengers or employees."

Certain conditions that allow flight attendants to remove passengers from a plane include "disorderly, abusive or violent" conduct or "[when] the passenger's conduct, attire, hygiene or odor creates an unreasonable risk of offense or annoyance to other passengers."

The key phrases here indicates that it falls to someone's judgement.  The dreaded "passive construct," linguistically speaking.  The "airline" has sole discretion.  The airline is, of course, not a living entity that can "know" or "assert" anything, only it's representatives can.  It is their 'judgment' that has final power over any aspect of the 'condition' of flying on their airline.

If, for example, fellow passengers had complained to the staff - there would be explicit cause to engage.  If the attendant had been "directed" to engage by airline leadership -  there would be explicit cause to engage. However, as it is stated, the attendant can take it upon him or herself to engage at their discretion... a clear mistake... exposing the employee to litigation, where this could very well lead.

Perhaps he, in this case, was triggered by the shirt... or perhaps he felt he was restricting the passenger "on behalf of unspoken others" (maybe sincere, maybe virtue signaling.) Allowing the attendants to be the "sole arbiter" of changing (contract carrier) outcomes in travel is not wise. 

Interpersonal commerce demands tangible accountability. 
I think any fair lawyer can make a case that this was damaging to his or her theoretical client... they'll settle... But 'settling' isn't a remedy for the pain and stress of the moment... not really. 

Either way I think this attendants' career is marred by this encounter... and by proxy... so is the airline's.

[Byrd]

There's also the possibility that "he" was simply sent to deliver the bad news by a woman because there's less pushback if the denial of service comes from a man.

Assaults on flight attendants are common.  If I had to deal with some snarky sorts or potential troublemakers, I'd likely ask a man to handle it.

[UltraBudgie]

Perhaps he, in this case, was triggered by the shirt... or perhaps he felt he was restricting the passenger "on behalf of unspoken others" (maybe sincere, maybe virtue signaling.) Allowing the attendants to be the "sole arbiter" of changing (contract carrier) outcomes in travel is not wise.

As far as I could find, the airline has not issued a statement on the details of this, so the only thing to go on is Banks' claim that she was told her shirt was "threatening".  I am not sure what her reaction was when being told her attire was unacceptable, and how the situation might have escalated.  None of us were there.  No one who felt "threatened" has told their side of the story.  I do find it interesting that, as she was braless under this apparently fairly form-fitting shirt*, she claims she was forced to remove it, and replace it with a sweatshirt that she had.  Couldn't the sweatshirt have been worn over the shirt?  It seems very unreasonable that the airline required her to strip it off on the jetway.  Perhaps she was told that she was not getting back on the plane wearing her current outfit, and felt she had no choice but to go to such an extreme.  Regardless, the incident certainly seems to have garnered her quite a bit of attention; perhaps we'll hear more.  It is somewhat despicable, a worthy cause being used for a personal agenda, if that is indeed what happened.