Oak Island - Discussion

[TrithFPV]

Hello all, 

Forgive me if this has already been posted. I did do a quick search and didn't see any topics with any relevance to Oak Island.

So here we are approaching Season 12 of Oak Island. I've been following since season 1 episode 1. I understand that "the History channel" makes money by viewership and dragging along viewers. So don't me wrong. I understand a lot of hype and mystery is most likely exaugurated for views. But as a whole, there has been many unexplained finds on the island. Whether it be Spanish coins, Roman coins. Lead dating back to Europe from 1200AD. Or timbers carbon dated back hundreds of years before the expected arrival of Europeans to the area. 

What are your thoughts? Are there others here that have been following the series? I'd love to hear others perspectives of what it may have been. I personally am leaning towards a repair island. Since the discovery of the pine tar kilns and man made harbor. It would only make sense that it was used a temporary repair hub for those traveling to and from Europe. 

I can get much more in depth but before I do, Id love to hear from others! 

Regards,

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Hello all, 

Forgive me if this has already been posted. I did do a quick search and didn't see any topics with any relevance to Oak Island.

So here we are approaching Season 12 of Oak Island. I've been following since season 1 episode 1. I understand that "the History channel" makes money by viewership and dragging along viewers. So don't me wrong. I understand a lot of hype and mystery is most likely exaugurated for views. But as a whole, there has been many unexplained finds on the island. Whether it be Spanish coins, Roman coins. Lead dating back to Europe from 1200AD. Or timbers carbon dated back hundreds of years before the expected arrival of Europeans to the area. 

What are your thoughts? Are there others here that have been following the series? I'd love to hear others perspectives of what it may have been. I personally am leaning towards a repair island. Since the discovery of the pine tar kilns and man made harbor. It would only make sense that it was used a temporary repair hub for those traveling to and from Europe. 

I can get much more in depth but before I do, Id love to hear from others! 

Regards,

I was always told, "If you don't have anything nice to say."

But also told, "when in Rome."

So gonna do the geology thing.

I think people are looking at a naturally formed vertical limestone cave or sinkhole. The bedrock of oak Island was formed hundreds of millions of years ago and the part of the island in question has VERY HEAVY deposits of limestone of gypsum. This is vertical cave and sinkhole prone. Which are actually formed slightly different.

The Money Pit on Oak Island in Nova Scotia is located in limestone bedrock that's prone to dissolving, creating caves and cavities. Some geologists believe the Money Pit is a natural sinkhole or limestone cavern that was filled with debris, rather than a man-made pit.

Source:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot...-1.5573186

Nova Scotia is pretty much Swiss cheese of undiscovered "money pits," and sedimentary formations called polystrate (upright) fossils, which new earth theorists love to try to use for creationist arguments without realizing their evidence is 300 million years old.

And by Money Pit I mean The History Channel is throwing money into a cave or sinkhole, but takes in more revenue than it costs to make a 12 season show about a likely figment of lore.

Why not just go try to The Superstition Mountains, which are volcanic in origin, and search for The Lost Dutchman Gold if you want to waste everyone's time on something debunked by dry boring science.

In fact, I think they do a show on that, and gave up relatively quickly.

Like they could've hired an undergrad student to say, "Well, The Superstitions were formed from a volcanic arc that existed 20 million years go, and the process which creates veins of gold deposits are not possible in Igneous formations as stated. Only trace amounts carried my magma can exist."

Same thing in the money Pit. Both have premises blown open at their foundation by the geology of the area. And there is a much more mundane reason for the vertical shaft. It's certainly close enough to water.

Worth noting is Oak Island is really new (sorta of). The silt and clay on top of the Mississippian and Ordovician deposits of limestone and gypsum are post Younger Dryas. While the bedrock is millions of years old the earth and clay was deposited at the end of the last ice age.

Just so much wrong, and I can't watch those excavation shows without loudly asking, "Would you people use a real fucking geologist occasionally?"

But it's enthralling if they don't get much into the science part of it.

Is it possible this was intricately created by people way back when, but more likely just some collapsed cave or sinkhole with a nice story attached.

[Raptured]

total entertainment.  That's it.  Same vein as Skinwalker Ranch

[TrithFPV]

I was always told, "If you don't have anything nice to say."

But also told, "when in Rome."

So gonna do the geology thing.

I think people are looking at a naturally formed vertical limestone cave or sinkhole. The bedrock of oak Island was formed hundreds of millions of years ago and the part of the island in question has VERY HEAVY deposits of limestone of gypsum. This is vertical cave and sinkhole prone. Which are actually formed slightly different.


Source:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot...-1.5573186

Nova Scotia is pretty much Swiss cheese of undiscovered "money pits," and sedimentary formations called polystrate (upright) fossils, which new earth theorists love to try to use for creationist arguments without realizing their evidence is 300 million years old.

And by Money Pit I mean The History Channel is throwing money into a cave or sinkhole, but takes in more revenue than it costs to make a 12 season show about a likely figment of lore.

Why not just go try to The Superstition Mountains, which are volcanic in origin, and search for The Lost Dutchman Gold if you want to waste everyone's time on something debunked by dry boring science.

In fact, I think they do a show on that, and gave up relatively quickly.

Like they could've hired an undergrad student to say, "Well, The Superstitions were formed from a volcanic arc that existed 20 million years go, and the process which creates veins of gold deposits are not possible in Igneous formations as stated. Only trace amounts carried my magma can exist."

Same thing in the money Pit. Both have premises blown open at their foundation by the geology of the area. And there is a much more mundane reason for the vertical shaft. It's certainly close enough to water.

Worth noting is Oak Island is really new (sorta of). The silt and clay on top of the Mississippian and Ordovician deposits of limestone and gypsum are post Younger Dryas. While the bedrock is millions of years old the earth and clay was deposited at the end of the last ice age.

Just so much wrong, and I can't watch those excavation shows without loudly asking, "Would you people use a real fucking geologist occasionally?"

But it's enthralling if they don't get much into the science part of it.

Is it possible this was intricately created by people way back when, but more likely just some collapsed cave or sinkhole with a nice story attached.

The last 2 seasons have little to do with the actual money pit. They've uncovered a stone harbor in the swamp after they drained it and pulled out parts of a ship which dated back into the 1500s or older. They also recently aquired Lot 5. It was the one lot they didn't have access to until 2 seasons ago. There they found a man made well with datable material in the bottom which dates back 700 years. I do agree with the limestone caverns that they are boring into. I thought that as well. But the surface finds they are coming across now are incredible.

Here is link to just the items found on lot 5  https://oakislandlotfive.com/the-finds

note: I find it more interesting that peoples were potentially there at the island far earlier than recorded.

[Kurokage]

The mystery of the Island has a long history, but I think the TV show has now diminished that a little with the long drawn out mutliple series of finding pretty much nothing, in an effort to recoup their investment. There has been a few interesting finds during the shows history but an hour long show digging a hole that could be shown in a 5 minute clip is now punishing my interest.

[Maxmars]

So, ironically, I always felt this was yet another 'adventure/reality' TV productions...  early on I glanced at it and found the direction of the episodes were too similar to shows that didn't appeal to me...  but now it's turning out to have evolved into a rich archeological dig?  It's kind of embarrassing, realizing that I was just 'turning my nose up' at it... 

I regret not paying more attention to it... 

Those items recovered could really tell a great story, if it can be accomplished without "Hollywoodification."

Thanks for sharing it here! 

[Kurokage]

 but now it's turning out to have evolved into a rich archeological dig? 

I have to admit to enjoying some of this too along with my fellow Brit who does the metal detecting, and not the boring tunneling week after week.

[Byrd]

The mystery is why people keep watching it (okay, I'm being slightly sarcastic here -- no insult to you if you enjoy it, however.  It's not my cuppa.)

The scholarship and research is ... Simply Awful.  These folks don't know the difference between a cross and a crucifix (yes, there's a significant difference) and some of the finds appear to be planted (or re-staged.)  They keep showing the same bits of "evidence" so that the show is around 25 minutes of old material plastered on 5 minutes of new.

We gave up about 3 seasons ago.

[Maxmars]

The mystery is why people keep watching it (okay, I'm being slightly sarcastic here -- no insult to you if you enjoy it, however.  It's not my cuppa.)

The scholarship and research is ... Simply Awful.  These folks don't know the difference between a cross and a crucifix (yes, there's a significant difference) and some of the finds appear to be planted (or re-staged.)  They keep showing the same bits of "evidence" so that the show is around 25 minutes of old material plastered on 5 minutes of new.

We gave up about 3 seasons ago.

I have to admit, that was a better description about the basic problem I have with the shows of this genre.

It's like the producers and directors all seem to be using 'marketing' techniques to both promote and "mold" the show... kind of doing a disservice to the subject matter, which is a legitimately interesting thing... even if the 'pushed' theories prove to be no good, the search, and what is found, has entertainment value in and of itself. 

I kind of object to this kind of work being done in an 'entertainment' venue, rather than as adopting a documentarians' approach to the subject.  Ostensibly the show is meant to inform... to me, pushing entertainment on top of it tends to tarnish the results.

But please remember, that's just me...

[TrithFPV]

The mystery is why people keep watching it (okay, I'm being slightly sarcastic here -- no insult to you if you enjoy it, however.  It's not my cuppa.)

The scholarship and research is ... Simply Awful.  These folks don't know the difference between a cross and a crucifix (yes, there's a significant difference) and some of the finds appear to be planted (or re-staged.)  They keep showing the same bits of "evidence" so that the show is around 25 minutes of old material plastered on 5 minutes of new.

We gave up about 3 seasons ago.

Honestly, sometimes Ill DVR the episode so I can fast forward to the last 15min to see the new finds. I agree, I do feel like the first half of every episode is just going over finds from previous shows. But occasionally they do find something unexpected. Which is just enough to keep me coming back :)