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(12-17-2025, 10:58 AM)quintessentone Wrote: It seems it wasn't the technology that was at issue but the surgical insertion/implementation into the monkeys causing many of the sad issues and subsequent animals' suffering.
Controversy Surrounds Neuralink's Monkey Experiments Amidst Conflicting Reports on Animal Welfare
Still sounds like a reason to test it out on the wrong'ins first.
After all, practice makes perfect.
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(12-17-2025, 11:29 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Still sounds like a reason to test it out on the wrong 'ins first.
After all, practice makes perfect. 
At this point, they don't seem to have any problems getting human volunteers that consider it a potential fair trade-off.
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(12-17-2025, 11:31 AM)quintessentone Wrote: At this point, they don't seem to have any problems getting human volunteers that consider it a potential fair trade-off.
Of course not quint, given the poor sods probable quality of life.
Some of the people would sell their souls for a better chance at existance.
The chance to be able to move or walk again.
And if that's what they wish to do, all the power to them.
But don't for one moment think its all going to be plain sailing.
Considering the complexity of our brains, the technology and procedures involved.
There are going to be issues, as there is with any emerging technological developments.
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(12-17-2025, 11:44 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Of course not quint, given the poor sods probable quality of life.
Some of the people would sell their souls for a better chance at existance.
The chance to be able to move or walk again.
And if that's what they wish to do, all the power to them.
But don't for one moment think its all going to be plain sailing.
Considering the complexity of our brains, the technology and procedures involved.
There are going to be issues, as there is with any emerging technological developments.
I don't doubt there will be different issues crop up with different types of patients' disabilities.
"As of September 2025, 12 patients have received Neuralink implants. Of those 12, only Patient 4 has no social media presence, per Henson's research. The others started X (formerly Twitter) accounts either on or around the day of their surgeries. They have consistently posted positive updates about the surgery while praising the "amazing technology." Henson also noticed that the Neuralink patients repost things from Tesla and SpaceX, Musk's other companies."
Now can we theorize that perhaps their chips include a Musk marketing program, or are these patients simply impressed with Musk and all that he is doing? Hmm.
"Henson grew more suspicious after realizing that when she Googles "Patient 4" and "Neuralink" she is told there is "no publicly known Patient 4." She also points out that for every other patient, at least one article pops up. The only thing that she has been able to find is a GoFundMe for Melgarejo, the content of which is pretty concerning."
What Happened to Neuralink Patient 4? Here's What We Know
" A Personal Victory Amidst a Devastating Diagnosis
The patient, whose identity remains confidential, was diagnosed with ALS two years ago. As the disease advanced, they lost the ability to speak or move their limbs. Now, with the implant, they can send emails, browse the web, and even engage in video calls using eye-tracking software paired with cursor control. “It’s like rediscovering a part of myself I thought was gone forever,” the patient shared through a synthesized voice tool.
Dr. Sarah Lin, a neurologist overseeing the trial, called the progress “astonishing,” noting that the patient achieved 90% accuracy in cursor tasks within weeks. “This isn’t just about technology—it’s about restoring dignity,” she said."
Neuralink’s Breakthrough: ALS Patient Controls Cursor with Brain Implant, Ushering in New Era of Neurotechnology
So far most of what I am reading about this technology is favourable.
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(12-17-2025, 11:53 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I don't doubt there will be different issues crop up with different types of patients' disabilities.
"As of September 2025, 12 patients have received Neuralink implants. Of those 12, only Patient 4 has no social media presence, per Henson's research. The others started X (formerly Twitter) accounts either on or around the day of their surgeries. They have consistently posted positive updates about the surgery while praising the "amazing technology." Henson also noticed that the Neuralink patients repost things from Tesla and SpaceX, Musk's other companies."
Now can we theorize that perhaps their chips include a Musk marketing program, or are these patients simply impressed with Musk and all that he is doing? Hmm.
"Henson grew more suspicious after realizing that when she Googles "Patient 4" and "Neuralink" she is told there is "no publicly known Patient 4." She also points out that for every other patient, at least one article pops up. The only thing that she has been able to find is a GoFundMe for Melgarejo, the content of which is pretty concerning."
What Happened to Neuralink Patient 4? Here's What We Know
"A Personal Victory Amidst a Devastating Diagnosis
The patient, whose identity remains confidential, was diagnosed with ALS two years ago. As the disease advanced, they lost the ability to speak or move their limbs. Now, with the implant, they can send emails, browse the web, and even engage in video calls using eye-tracking software paired with cursor control. “It’s like rediscovering a part of myself I thought was gone forever,” the patient shared through a synthesized voice tool.
Dr. Sarah Lin, a neurologist overseeing the trial, called the progress “astonishing,” noting that the patient achieved 90% accuracy in cursor tasks within weeks. “This isn’t just about technology—it’s about restoring dignity,” she said."
Neuralink’s Breakthrough: ALS Patient Controls Cursor with Brain Implant, Ushering in New Era of Neurotechnology
So far most of what I am reading about this technology is favourable.
I still think it makes sense to perfect the technology on those humans that don't matter and/or can't be fixed first.
Beasts tick that box in my opinion long before the disabled.
One being expendable and the other actual patients.
Favourable depends on how you look at it.
Again, if that's what they wish to do, all the power to them.
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(12-17-2025, 11:58 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I still think it makes sense to perfect the technology on those humans that don't matter and/or can't be fixed first.
Beasts tick that box in my opinion long before the disabled.
Favourable depends on how you look at it.
Again, if that's what they wish to do, all the power to them.
But the monsters/beasts that don't matter won't have the disabilities for which the chip is intended to address.
Perhaps in the future Musk may expand on chip programming that can 'fix' mental illness/violent tendencies/that something that just ain't quite right in the brain thingmies, and I'm thinking that those monsters may also jump at the chance to not be the way they are because they can't control it. So let the robot chip control it all (?)
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(12-17-2025, 12:01 PM)quintessentone Wrote: But the monsters/beasts that don't matter won't have the disabilities for which the chip is intended to address.
Perhaps in the future Musk may expand on chip programming that can 'fix' mental illness/violent tendencies/that something that just ain't quite right in the brain thingmies, and I'm thinking that those monsters may also jump at the chance to not be the way they are because they can't control it. So let the robot chip control it all (?)
Accidents happen.
The type of technology you are proposing is a bit further down the line than Neuralink.
I think they did something similar in an old episode of Babylon 5, all the same, to a mass murderer.
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(12-17-2025, 12:04 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Accident happen. 
Maybe happy accident happen?
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(12-17-2025, 12:06 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Maybe happy accident happen?
Well, from their victims' point of view, possibly.
Certainly sounds more like justice than warehousing them for life, imho.
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(12-17-2025, 09:57 AM)Karl12 Wrote: Go for it - hope you don't end up nibbling your fingers off like that poor monkey.
Just ignore all the potential dangers like bio-hacking, brain damage or ending up in some hive mind cult.
If you ever open up your head for one please post your experiences back on the thread.
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Not sure why you posted that.
Neuralink is not synthetic biology.
Maybe you didn't read what I posted.
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