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Intraterrestrials - living alongside us since forever
#1
Hi Deny Ignorance,

I watched two alien type documentaries in the past two days.  One was a rather forgettable amateur one that delved not too deeply into anything, which oddly gave credence to Sitchin's theories, and for that reason alone I didn't particularly like it.  But they did hit on the bona fides when they stated: "They don't come from 'up there', they come from 'down here'".  Then today I paid the sucker rental fee so I could watch the new documentary 'Age of Disclosure'.  I found it to be rather good in many respects, it laid out the battle between new programs like AATIP & the so-called 'Legacy Program' of the CIA, Air Force & Department of Energy, which has fiercely resisted modern attempts to bring the subject into the light.  But when reading through the lines as they talked about trans medium craft, and specifically pointed to the possibility that the drones & larger passenger-carrying craft actually come from 'down here', 'perhaps on the sea bed, perhaps in the Arctic/ the Antarctic', etc, my ears pricked up.

I have to say, I'm at this stage thoroughly convinced that we are not dealing with 'extraterrestrials from elsewhere, 'up there''', we are in fact dealing with a parallel Earthbound civilisation.  I believe they have civiisational bases concentrated in the Arctic & Antarctic, with 'duck blinds' in mountains & desert mesas around the world, hiding in plain sight, perhaps using holographic technology to disguise the entrances to their bases - even with today's technology that wouldn't be hard to do.

Some of the evidence for the reality of this theory comes from some time ago, in the form of the lost diary of Admiral Byrd, who supposedly had his airplane controls taken over, guided into land in the Arctic, met by 'the Master' who was communicating with him on behalf of this parallel civilisation, who was something of a mythical father figure, who abhorred our 'barbaric wars', and indeed their actions over the next ninety years have proven that they are able to activate or shut down our nuclear missiles at will, and as with Byrd's plane, they have the ability to reach in & control analogue systems as well as digital systems, even back in the 1930s, which would seem to be far in advance of our modern abilities, even back in Admiral Byrd's exploratory days.

Apparently this parallel civilisation is trying to break the silence, and to demonstrate their existence to as many people as possible, within reason, with mass sightings such as the Phoenix lights incident being orchestrated in order to prove that they exist, that they are interested in us, that they are superior to us technologically, that they can dominate our weapons systems, and therefore we must treat them with caution & respect.  It is now the so-called Legacy Program that is putting the dampeners on efforts to attain disclosure that are being orchestrated by (amongst notable others), Harry Reid (deceased, but recently very prominent), Lue Elizondo, David Grusch, notably Hal Puthoff (an extremely eminent & in my mind a reliable character as well as an excellent scientist), Christopher Mellon, Marc Rubio and many, many more.  It's a notably bipartisan effort, and it is my hope after watching Age of Disclosure that we may very well see continued efforts to bring this subject into the light.  But to my mind it is extremely important that the government acknowledges that they actually share this world with us, they are not visitors from the Great Beyond.

It interests me that potentially we are looking at the legacy civilisation arising from the fallen Watcher angels, their offspring the Nephilim, and a host of supporting characters - races that they have genetically engineered for specialised tasks; pilots, underwater technicians, sentries, 'guard dogs' and so on.  Rather than train people, they engineer the ideal specimen for the task, or so the story goes.  So while they present themselves via the Nordic style 'Master' who seems a kindly old soul, they are very much in favour of indentured servitude, and they seemingly use genetic engineering to meet their every civilisational need, and throw a barrel load of confusion our way as we retrieve the 'crashed' (ditched) craft, and retrieve the bodies of apparently weird non-human entities from Zeta Reticuli or wherever (or rather, a lab beneath the Artcic ice...).

I think they have deliberately used genetic engineering as a strategy to confuse us over the past ninety years or so, in order that a narrative of myriad extra-terrestrial species visiting from afar off has been gathering momentum in the legacy program, breeding fear & mistrust that they have any sort of handle on the situation.  If the truth were told - that they are a distinctly superhuman, perhaps immortal race, who use slavery systems to uphold their elite society, with genetic engineering to craft a narrative that they can sow & control through marble corridors & secret hangars with those 'smoking men' wrapped up in the Legacy program, so that when genuine truth seekers come along & want to blow the whistle, there's too much confusion in the craft/ body retrieval program, and we're all wittering on about extraterrestrial visitors from dozens of races elsewhere in the galaxy, when in fact it is one elite race running an indentured servitude racket under the edicts of genetic engineering programs, that has a lot in common with Hitler & his goons (which is perhaps why the Nazis were made to feel at home when they started to gain an interest in the Antarctic circle).  They are more advanced than us - they present themselves to Admiral Byrd as a wise elder race, but in fact they are elitist fascists, who can utterly control our weapons technologies from afar.  They seem to be peaceful, but that is because they have engineered a perfect elite lifestyle, and we are not yet advanced enough to threaten them.

I actually had an interesting dream a year ago which placed me in stages of warfare from the days of swords & spears, through every advance in weaponry & every major war since, taking on Nazis in WW2, then modern weaponry in Iraq & Afghanistan, then suddenly, plasma type weaponry with flying UFO/UAP craft that were literal Kamikaze bombs that took out entire massive classified human facilities like the Pentagon by landing on top of them unopposed, then detonating a plasma blast of some sort, ripping a hole in the fabric of the cosmos and taking the entire building & contents with it.  I worry that these guys hiding in the ice fields may well turn out to be bitter enemies if we ever seem to be achieving parity without maintaining strict secrecy in the process.  I dream a lot, and sometimes it's literally & provably prophetic.

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say & a little bit more for the cherry on top.  I think they're here with us, they've always been here, the nuclear shutdowns are a sinister warning, and if we want parity, we actually need to reach beyond what they have before we take them on in any way whatsoever, or it could very well be the end of us, and a new order will take over in place of our existing elite.  

Based on their use of genetically modified slaves, they may turn out to be cruel masters.
#2
Perhaps they are not living 'alongside us' but inside us, in the Jungian sense. You do talk about your dreams in the OP. I think that is suggestive of an inner desire that is driving your conclusion.

You mention the 'Watchers'. I wrote a little fanciful folly about them! It's probably a more likely scenario than what you propose in my opinion lol.

You also round it off by saying your dreams are 'prophetic'. That's not really helpful when you are talking about a 'nuts and bolts' parallel civilization.

I think people just want more. The reality that the UFO stuff might just be ours, will never be enough for some.
#3
Thanks for your reply.  I don't quite understand why the fact of dream information cannot be correlated with a nuts & bolts civilisation - it is simply another stream of information that can be considered carefully as a possible area of interest.  Jungian dynamics I do not believe are relevant to my 'desire' to have this situation be true.  I am simply describing a likely scenario concerning a parallel civilisation, and at the end of my commentary I indicated that I had received dream intelligence which seemed to be relevant to the long term hostelry of human warfare, capped off with a singular event when we were overwhelmed by a technology that was far in excess of our existing human technology at the time (2024).  A plasma vortex which ripped a hole in the fabric of the cosmos, taking the building & all its contents with it, arriving as a UAP which sat atop the building & then exploded like some sort of kamikaze device.  This concerns me as a possible strand of future information that we should be concerned about when analysing our strategic obligations in response to this parallel civilisation.  They have proven since the days of Admiral Byrd that they have some sort of molecular dynamic control technology, likely using pressurised nanoparticle swarms to control analogue systems in perfect congruence, taking control of the Admiral's plane & landing it in the Arctic in the 1930s so the Master could have a discussion with Admiral Byrd.  But in the decades since then, they have proven indisputably that they can also take analogue & digital control of US nuclear missile bases, the weapons themselves, switching them on & off at will.  They are demonstrating military intent, that they can dominate us before our missiles even get off the ground.  If they possess neutron bombs or plasma/ scalar weaponry that can be delivered in a UAP package, a drone, that can land on a building then rip a hole in the fabric of the cosmos within the building's footprint & vertical imprint, taking everything & everyone into the abyss with it - these people are not to be fucked with.  The dream can only be described as prophetic because it was describing a future state of war (after a drawn out & longwinded melodrama of warfare since the Stone Age to the deserts of Afghanistan.  We were being shown the next stage of warfare, that we haven't yet witnessed in open conflict.  Drones which can rip holes in space time to take out strategic targets & people & information, with absolutely no way to break through the defensive shield in order to destroy the weapon.  The dream, you could say, is just INFORMATION from 'somewhere' that is being inserted into the conversation for the assessment of suitably placed people in the appropriate programs.  Because they scour these sites & take this information seriously, though it comes with no recognition & plenty of subtle ridicule, from posts such as your own.  No matter, the information has been placed into the public sphere, and the warning is clear.  These people are not our friends, they are a legacy civilisation which split off from contact with humanity around the time of the last ice age, or the Noah flood, if you prefer, and they have remained hidden ever since.  They are our enemy, even though they present as a wise elder race.  They welcomed the Nazis, for fuck's sake.  That should tell you all you need to know.  They hold to beliefs concerning 'master race' ideology, they genetically engineer indentured slaves of various types - some are built just to die in deliberate crashs when craft are ditched to be retrieved by the legacy program, to sow disinformation about the nature of the supposed 'races that are visiting us', when in reality they were engineered in a lab to sow disinformation.
#4
I did not ridicule your OP. I include a 'lol', just to show my comment was light hearted. The idea of your OP is interesting and well written so I gave you a like.

​Dreams, for me are all about the dreamer and as such are for you, about you and do contain things we are unaware of about ourselves. They appear in symbolic images and scenes relevant to you and for you. How you interpret that is up to you.
#5
Maybe that hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole, which mysteriously disappeared, "regenerated", wasn't caused by hairspray and using the wrong type of refrigerated (for which there were convenient patented replacements). Maybe it was caused deliberately as a form of warfare? Perhaps by the explosion of nuclear devices in the high atmosphere.

That story always sounded like BS. It did conveniently feed in to the environmentalist "climate change" narrative though.

I like this theory. It's probably true.

Maybe the reason North Korea is so odd is because they've got a pact or something and that's where their major underground bases are.
#6
There is more too the Moon story. Not hearing as many hybridization reports as back in the 1980's. Maybe that phase of the invasion is over? Or just got better at hiding it? How does the web of life really work in all of its ways? Do 'They Live'?
#7
The OP assumes his theory is original but its been advanced many times before. Also if they are "elite fascists" as the bigoted OP says they are, I'm still on their side as humanity is a primate species which has ransacked the natural environment by breeding like flies causing wave after wave of mass extinction as we encroached upon the habitat of other species. 

Of course it's all nonsense though just like the ETH. 

This could even be information chaff designed to muddy the waters of classified human technology. Well not so much muddy the waters but turn jet black with a hint of midnight. 

Phoenix lights if it was real and not just military flares was a LTO stealth blimp. 

The existence of Admiral Byrd's secret diary has never been proven and at this point everything said about the man seems to be sheer fantasy culled from a 1950s pulp sci-fi magazine.
#8
Elijah1771's second post in this thread fully departs into the realms of fantasy complete with Nazi UFOs, scalar weaponry and cataclysmic dreams. I've heard it all before. 

Midicon makes an excellent point about Jungian psychology. Extraterrestrial, Intraterrestrial, Ultraterrestrial or Cryptoterrestrial all have one thing in common. They only exist deep in our aching minds.
#9
What if the real conspiracy is that nuclear weapons don't actually exist?

I've read this theory on dubious forums a longtime ago.