More Batsh*t Globalist Ideas - Sucking Carbon from Oceans

[SurferSoul]

the co2 will passively dissolve in the water making yummy bubble water. and seltzer is acidic because when co2 dissolves in water it makes carbonic acid: CO2​ + H2​O <--> H2​CO3​...

So what you’re saying is c02 does dissolve in water, making H2C03! This is the the crap that’s killing the reefs?

[UltraBudgie]

So what you’re saying is c02 does dissolve in water, making H2C03! This is the the crap that’s killing the reefs?

well the chemistry of that works that way yeah, but i dunno about whats killing the reefs, knowing the globalist climate agenda i suspect its something complex and unacknowledged pollutant or trash dumping or industrial byproduct and co2 is being used as a monitizable scapegoat to deflect from a problem that might acually have an impact on the bottom line if addressed, but i am crazy conspiracy theorist haha

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionai...d4fe8e3895

[SurferSoul]

well the chemistry of that works that way yeah, but i dunno about whats killing the reefs, knowing the globalist climate agenda i suspect its something complex and unacknowledged pollutant or trash dumping or industrial byproduct and co2 is being used as a monitizable scapegoat to deflect from a problem that might acually have an impact on the bottom line if addressed, but i am crazy conspiracy theorist haha

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionai...d4fe8e3895

Well when you put it like that..

Have to dash, ;) stay informed 

The Hufpost pisses me off though, never read it. Which is how they divide us I suppose.

[DontTreadOnMe]

well the chemistry of that works that way yeah, but i dunno about whats killing the reefs, knowing the globalist climate agenda i suspect its something complex and unacknowledged pollutant or trash dumping or industrial byproduct and co2 is being used as a monitizable scapegoat to deflect from a problem that might acually have an impact on the bottom line if addressed, but i am crazy conspiracy theorist haha

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionai...d4fe8e3895

Part of what is killing the reefs was the chemicals from sunblock/sunscreen products.
Humans seem to think that anything good for a human is good for the planet, LOL

[Byrd]

this is true the data show the ocean ph as tracking atmospheric co2

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which only makes sense its like how you make seltzer by just hooking a co2 tank up to a corney keg of water, the co2 will passively dissolve in the water making yummy bubble water. and seltzer is acidic because when co2 dissolves in water it makes carbonic acid: CO2​ + H2​O <--> H2​CO3​...

Yes.  The Earth is a balanced system.  Gases can dissolve in water.

Remember that fish breathe oxygen... the oxygen that's dissolved in the water.  That comes from the atmosphere (so there's also nitrogen, CO2, argon, and methane, to name the big ones.)  There's not enough plant life in the ocean (which can only live in places where there's sun shining... no plants in the deep ocean) to give oxygen to all the fish that live there.  Ocean oxygen comes from the sky.  Literally.

It takes a lot of surface area to provide the oxygen (if you're looking at ponds) or a lot of motion such as generated by creeks and rivers running over rocks and raindrops splashing in the water.  As ponds dry up (this was research I did for a local Audubon park), the amount of oxygen in the water decreases to the point where it won't sustain even the smallest fishes and you only get the hardiest water bugs in the water.

So anything in the air also gets into the water.  Automobile exhaust, dust -- and anything on the land (animal poop, cigarette butts, old diapers, cups, stray grocery bags, etc.)

[Byrd]

Yeah, real insanity.
Plants adore carbon dioxide....and give off oxygen...which WE adore.
A match made in heaven as it were.

I cannot believe anyone would give this idea any attention.
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It may surprise you to find out that too much CO2 can harm plants: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/too-m...024-09-04/

Remember that the CO2 isn't being fed into a greenhouse.  So, when the climate warms up, plants die because the temperature is wrong (as any gardener can tell you.)  Too much rain, or acidic rain, etc, also kills them.  And at some point there's too much CO2 and it actually cuts down on the oxygen production: https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-pla...y-high-co2

Faster growing plants are less nutritious, which would affect that animals we eat as well as the nutrients of our own food: https://cfaes.osu.edu/news/articles/high...-nutrients 

It does have some benefits... but only up to a certain amount.

[EXETER]

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Part of what is killing the reefs was the chemicals from sunblock/sunscreen products.
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There are two different effects going on.  

The living organisms that create coral reefs are small, primitive animals known as polyps.  They are mostly filter feeders, meaning that they stay in one place and pump seawater through themselves and are able to filter out and feed on microscopic bits of organic material that happen to be in the water.  When organic compounds in sunscreen dissolve in the seawater, the polyps ingest that also, and it is a mild toxin that screws up their metabolism.  In large enough concentrations (like at popular beaches that see a lot of tourists) the toxins can be lethal for the organisms.

The second effect is related to the fact that the polyps are able to pull dissolved calcium and bicarbonate ions out of the seawater and combine them to produce calcium carbonate which then precipitates out as a solid. Calcium carbonate is the main structural component of coral reefs. The polyps live inside little holes that they've made inside the calcium carbonate. Those holes are basically the polyps' homes, that keep them from being eaten by predators.  CO2 dissolved in water produces carbonic acid, which dissolves the calcium carbonate, leaving the polyps vulnerable to predation.  When the carbonic acid concentration in sea water rises high enough (as it has been doing since the Industrial Revolution), the polyps can't lay down calcium carbonate fast enough to keep up with the rate at which it is being dissolved, and the reefs shrink.

[sahgwa]

If we held China and India to cleaner standards I think the rate of pollution would drop exponentially.  They are the elephant in the room but they produce things for everyone so they seem to be exempt from having to clean up their acts, literally. 
Also if we repatriated many of those jobs to 'more developed' nations it wouldn't just help those local economies it would also lower pollution due to the higher standards.

[UltraBudgie]

If we held China and India to cleaner standards

i hate to promote stereotypes but it turned out to be true a little game you can play is open google maps and drop the little streetview guy at a random point in india, then look around and see how much trash you see scattered, i tried it like a dozen times and it never failed, haha sad though. also underscores point that focus on co2 can distract from litter and pollution which as byrd pointed out makes its way into water and everything too. subtle effects, crops and such as well as reefs.

edit: okay well maybe i don't hate promoting that because it is actual and sort of funny but kinda hate that its true

edit edit:: okay i kept going and found some nice looking places so its not 100%!

[NoCorruptionAllowed]

Yes.  The Earth is a balanced system.  Gases can dissolve in water.

Remember that fish breathe oxygen... the oxygen that's dissolved in the water.  That comes from the atmosphere (so there's also nitrogen, CO2, argon, and methane, to name the big ones.)  There's not enough plant life in the ocean (which can only live in places where there's sun shining... no plants in the deep ocean) to give oxygen to all the fish that live there.  Ocean oxygen comes from the sky.  Literally.

It takes a lot of surface area to provide the oxygen (if you're looking at ponds) or a lot of motion such as generated by creeks and rivers running over rocks and raindrops splashing in the water.  As ponds dry up (this was research I did for a local Audubon park), the amount of oxygen in the water decreases to the point where it won't sustain even the smallest fishes and you only get the hardiest water bugs in the water.

So anything in the air also gets into the water.  Automobile exhaust, dust -- and anything on the land (animal poop, cigarette butts, old diapers, cups, stray grocery bags, etc.)

Something fairly new and interesting: "Oxygen at the bottom of the ocean, particularly in areas like the Clarion-Clipperton Zone, is produced by natural mineral deposits known as polymetallic nodules, which act like batteries to split seawater into hydrogen and oxygen. This discovery challenges the previous belief that oxygen in deep ocean environments could only come from photosynthesis, as it occurs in complete darkness."

Supposedly this isn't just in a few places but all over the deep oceans.
Mysterious 'Dark Oxygen' Discovered at Bottom of Ocean Stuns Scientists