Meth the Canadian export

[Vermilion]

According to the UN's World Drug Report 2025, New Zealand and Australia have the highest per capita cocaine use in the world. Three percent of people aged 15 to 64 used cocaine in 2023, nearly triple the percentage in Europe.

In addition to cocaine, New Zealand and Australia also have the highest per capita use of MDMA globally. The NZ Drug Foundation's 2023/24 report showed that 4.8% of adults used MDMA in the past year, an increase from 3.6% in the previous year.

Wastewater testing in 2024 revealed record-high per capita methamphetamine use. Worryingly, the proportion of users reporting daily or near-daily use jumped from 19% in 2022/23 to 29% in 2024.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/data-and-ana...-2025.html

https://drugfoundation.org.nz/

Yikes.

[Unknownparadox]

Wastewater testing in 2024 revealed record-high per capita methamphetamine use. Worryingly, the proportion of users reporting daily or near-daily use jumped from 19% in 2022/23 to 29% in 2024.

I wonder what the real meth use in America is. I live in a very small town. I would be very hard pressed to throw a rock in a crowd of age 18 to 50 and not hit a meth user. And if I know they are using meth and where the meth dealers houses are. I know the cops know.

[Vermilion]

I wonder what the real meth use in America is. I live in a very small town. I would be very hard pressed to throw a rock in a crowd of age 18 to 50 and not hit a meth user. And if I know they are using meth and where the meth dealers houses are. I know the cops know.

If they’re on well water, nobody will know until they start chasing invisible chickens.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and...mates.xlsx

Here is an estimate.

[Unknownparadox]

If they’re on well water, nobody will know until they start chasing invisible chickens.

Anyone that knows, doesn't drink the water, city or well. Lots of cancer here. As well as birth defects/special needs kids. The county sold itself out as a dump 25 some years ago is the story. The EPA sued the place about 8 years ago for heavy metal leaking out of the dump. 

It would be just about as hard to find someone who doesn't have cancer in their family. As it would be to find someone who doesn't have a meth user in their family. The place is a real shithole.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Nothing makes a rich person be really careful doing blow more than needing to also get meth and fentanyl test kits for it. So its not too speedy or doesnt make your die...

Thats more the domestic-based market responsible for  that though. Anyway...

The "North American" drug cartels of relevance are Sina Loa, Jalisco, Gulf, and The Triads - with help from Hells Angels, Bandidos, Mongols, and Pagans.

That's the same for the USA and Canada.  Both equally infiltrated. 

But i think we are looking at the wrong cartels if we are talking about Western Canada, particularly Vancouver. 

The stuff going across the Pacific is almost all Triad sent. The Latino cartels go north/south. Triads get it to Austrailia through Southeast Asia. 

They all do the same thing. Buy precursor chemicals,  (Phenyl-2-propanone) from China (easier for the Triads) to import to either BC or Mexico (Port of LA and Long Beach are more difficult) and then use a vast criminal network of foreign and domestic to manufacture it distribute it domestically, and distribute it internationally..

It may be illegal. But it is still capitalism. And calling Canada the exporter is a misnomer.

The Triads use The Port of Vancouver. They bring in usually as mislabeled shipments, manufacture it, use the biker gangs for domestic distribution, or send it back across the Pacific. 

While Sina Loa is growing in BC, the network that sends it to Sydney or Aukland is most likely Triad.

In California The Triad are not as entrenched outside San Fransisco. There are actually territories and dominant market shares too. 

The line where Southern California becomes Northern is almost like The Triad/Sina Loa divide, with few exceptions..

SD gets mostly driven through and our port is tiny. But we are a Sina Loa market anyway. 
LA is the largest US Sina Loa market.
SF is Triad, Seattle is Triad, Vancouver is Triad.
Portland, however, is the largest Sina Loa market North of LA. Think the Chinese skipped over The Rose City. They must not have a big enough Chinatown.

Not considering the North American drug trade a complex multinational economy is foolish. 

Thinking all you gave to do is stop The Mexican ones at the US border is kinda laughable too. I dont even think that's possible anyway. For every one tunnel you find or shipment of lettuce confiscated.... It's like roaches. 

But the Triads are more than happy to take over The LA and Portland markets should interdiction prove successful.. And the Canadian border is much easier to cross if The USA actually stops the stuff coming from the South. 

USA is a huge consumer market of expendable money at top dollar.  Largest illegal drug consuming market in the world. 

And everyone will use the bikers. In the 70s they made it, now thats been outsourced and they do distribution for various multinational gangs. 

I know this was kinda rambling, but talking about the underground drug economy makes you jump around.

[Tecate]

Canada! Go Canada!!  Ha!!
Like IP says above, it’s the Asian Triads using our ports. The thing is though, again, if you kill the demand the supply withers away…

I don’t get the idea of wanting to go faster (Coke, meth, or any of the Amphetamine family), man a few beers and maybe a small bit of the devil’s lettuce and I’m good.

Seriously, the “War on Drugs”?? No, it’s a war on the competition. 

Just say No….

What a fucking joke 


Tecate

[Unknownparadox]

I don’t get the idea of wanting to go faster (Coke, meth, or any of the Amphetamine family)

My understanding of meth these days is, it's really not much of a amp anymore. You can get fat on it, you can sleep on it. At least that is what one meth head woman told me. 

I think it's the altered reality that they like. They are calling it crazy dope.

‘I Don’t Know That I Would Even Call It Meth Anymore’Different chemically than it was a decade ago, the drug is creating a wave of severe mental illness and worsening America’s homelessness problem.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...th/620174/

They use to let you read one free article.

[quintessentone]

According to the UN's World Drug Report 2025, New Zealand and Australia have the highest per capita cocaine use in the world. Three percent of people aged 15 to 64 used cocaine in 2023, nearly triple the percentage in Europe.

In addition to cocaine, New Zealand and Australia also have the highest per capita use of MDMA globally. The NZ Drug Foundation's 2023/24 report showed that 4.8% of adults used MDMA in the past year, an increase from 3.6% in the previous year.

Wastewater testing in 2024 revealed record-high per capita methamphetamine use. Worryingly, the proportion of users reporting daily or near-daily use jumped from 19% in 2022/23 to 29% in 2024.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/data-and-ana...-2025.html

https://drugfoundation.org.nz/

Yikes.

People turning to drugs for an altered state of being, to me, is a symptom of a system down or worldwide systems down.

I suppose I'd be off topic if I delved into which came first? the trauma/giving up on being a slave to the rich, or the drugs.