10-18-2025, 10:01 AM
This post was last modified: 10-18-2025, 01:39 PM by UltraBudgie.
Two tidbits of social relevance, from the United States today.
First, in California:
At the inaugural SlutCon, ‘flirt girls’ teach tech guys how to woo women
At various points last weekend, 10 different men asked Cassie, a 28-year-old petite brunette wearing a lime green wristband, if they could squeeze her breasts. She rebuffed three, but gladly consented to seven of them.
This was not harassment but homework. The men were attendees at SlutCon, a three-day conference held at an undisclosed location in the East Bay, which promised to level up men’s seduction skills. Cassie’s wristband designated her as an official “flirt girl” — one of 46 women who men could approach to practice flirting assignments.
“I’ve been giving good feedback in teaching men how to touch me,” she said. “I’ve also taught a lot of guys how to pull hair. You’ve got to really go into the scalp and make a fist.”
Practical, actionable instruction was the main point of SlutCon, billed as a combo self-help seminar and social experiment. The goal was for anxious, analytical men to improve their skills with the opposite sex. Around 220 people, mostly men, attended, many paying from $1,000 to $9,000 for their tickets — the most expensive of which included access to more intimate sessions with women.
![[Image: -S350x350-FPNG.png]](https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/-S350x350-FPNG.png)
...Mark, 44, a software engineer from New York, said he’d come to sharpen his rizz. He wanted to “make sure I’m coming across the way I want to come across.” Over lunch on Saturday, he pointed to the morning’s “Aggression in Intimacy” workshop as his favorite so far, in which men shoved each other, hard, to access assertive energy before approaching two seated flirt girls.
“You want to leverage that feeling and intensity to be more confident,” Mark said. It was playful, not violent, he added. “The people all feel like fellow nerd travelers.”
Sitting near the outdoor hot tub late in the afternoon on the second day, Michael, a 25-year-old space engineer, noted that he had traveled from Texas to probe his conflicted feelings around polyamory. “My cultural default is monogamy,” he said. “I don’t know if I can deal with feelings of jealousy. I’m trying to figure that out.” He was excited to process those emotions with other like-minded men.
https://sfstandard.com/2025/10/17/slutcon-flirt-girls-tech-bros/
Second, an incident from New York, that perhaps evidences the viewpoint that amoral libertines will keep pushing further and further, without limit:
Armed man wearing 'non-offending pedophile' sign storms stage at NYC Wikipedia conference
A Wikipedia conference in New York City took a bizarre turn Friday after an Ohio man draped in a sign declaring him to be an “anti-contact non-offending pedophile” got onstage with a gun and threatened to kill himself.
WikiConference North America 2025 kicked off at 9 a.m. at Civic Hall, a community center in Manhattan. During the opening ceremony, a man with a gun jumped onto the stage and pointed his weapon at the ceiling before being tackled by conference organizers, according to police and a Wikipedia spokesperson.
The man, whom police did not identify, was later taken into custody, the Wikipedia spokesperson said.
![[Image: ncpedo.png]](https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/ncpedo.png)
The man wore a multicolored sign around his neck that read “anti-contact non-offending pedophile,” according to law enforcement sources familiar with the matter. The sign bore the colors of a flag that has been used in recent years by people who identify as “MAPs,” or “minor-attracted persons.”
He also allegedly had the flag representing “MAPs” draped on his back bearing the same message.
According to John Hopkins University, nonoffending pedophiles “are a unique population of individuals who experience sexual interest in children, but despite common misperceptions, have neither had sexual contact with a child nor have accessed illegal child sexual exploitation material.”
The incident, and a possible motive, remain under investigation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arm...rcna238250
So I guess this is America now. What do you think about these things, in the larger context of society?
I've done a little research, and found this:
Undead Statutes: The Rise, Fall, and Continuing Uses of Adultery and Fornication Criminal Laws
To many, adultery and fornication criminal laws are historical relics from this Country’s earliest colonies. And yet, these laws have had surprising longevity in many states. Typically unenforced, these laws are sometimes still invoked by politicians or interest groups who seek a “moral” platform to impress or mobilize their conservative constituents. A number of recent examples exist. In 2009, the Minnesota Family Council, in the face of efforts to repeal Minnesota’s fornication and adultery laws, called for those laws to be strengthened instead. The repeal efforts ultimately failed.6 In 2012, Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association called for the re-criminalization of homosexuality and fornication nationwide. Also in 2012, Alaskan Governor Sean Parnell appointed a man to the state’s judicial appointments panel who believed that extra-marital sex should be a crime. Finally, as recently as 2013, two states’ sodomy laws were used to arrest or convict people.
A few states have recently repealed their adultery or fornication statutes. On the other hand, several state legislatures have considered and then refused to repeal their existing adultery or fornication statutes, indicating that the public may support criminalization of these acts. Despite these conflicting results, it is clear that even if states are unwilling to repeal these statutes, public opinion has changed. Lack of public interest in adultery and fornication prosecutions has led to fewer prosecutions, as the police and prosecutors have turned their attention to crimes that are considered to be more important. Changing policies have also caused adultery and fornication laws to come into conflict with constitutional rights, such as the right to privacy,19 as the public has come to see consensual sexual behavior between adults as beyond the remit of the State.
The history of adultery and fornication laws can show us why these laws were enacted and why they are no longer enforced. Adultery and fornication laws were originally cornerstones of a legal system that emphasized religious morality, so the decreasing enforcement of these laws indicates a fundamental shift in society’s values and culture. The change in culture can be observed in multiple ways: directly through increasing liberalism in the United States over time, and indirectly through the ways courts apply adultery and fornication laws. Court cases indicate that evidentiary issues, less zealous courts and juries, and, most recently, privacy issues have contributed to lower rates of adultery and fornication prosecutions.
To fully investigate the interplay of culture and adultery and fornication criminal statutes, in Part I, this Article examines the genesis of these laws, why they were created, and how they were used. In Part II, this Article looks at the change in culture, enforcement, and constitutionality of these laws over time. In Part III, this Article analyzes the evolution of evidentiary requirements surrounding these laws and how these changes further evidence a change in American culture and values. Finally, in Part IV, this Article examines why these criminal laws persist in some states, and how they can still be used to prosecute people.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcont...text=luclj (48-page PDF document)
This is quite a well-researched and clearly written paper; worth reading. It was published 11 years ago. Is opinion evolving?
Are public conduct standards always a religious issue? Is that off-limits to government? For most of America's history, the courts didn't think so. What changed?
Is it possible to have a society that acknowledges people's right to fester in sexual permissiveness, while also respecting others' right to live and raise their children in a society not polluted with the obscene?
First, in California:
At the inaugural SlutCon, ‘flirt girls’ teach tech guys how to woo women
At various points last weekend, 10 different men asked Cassie, a 28-year-old petite brunette wearing a lime green wristband, if they could squeeze her breasts. She rebuffed three, but gladly consented to seven of them.
This was not harassment but homework. The men were attendees at SlutCon, a three-day conference held at an undisclosed location in the East Bay, which promised to level up men’s seduction skills. Cassie’s wristband designated her as an official “flirt girl” — one of 46 women who men could approach to practice flirting assignments.
“I’ve been giving good feedback in teaching men how to touch me,” she said. “I’ve also taught a lot of guys how to pull hair. You’ve got to really go into the scalp and make a fist.”
Practical, actionable instruction was the main point of SlutCon, billed as a combo self-help seminar and social experiment. The goal was for anxious, analytical men to improve their skills with the opposite sex. Around 220 people, mostly men, attended, many paying from $1,000 to $9,000 for their tickets — the most expensive of which included access to more intimate sessions with women.
...Mark, 44, a software engineer from New York, said he’d come to sharpen his rizz. He wanted to “make sure I’m coming across the way I want to come across.” Over lunch on Saturday, he pointed to the morning’s “Aggression in Intimacy” workshop as his favorite so far, in which men shoved each other, hard, to access assertive energy before approaching two seated flirt girls. “You want to leverage that feeling and intensity to be more confident,” Mark said. It was playful, not violent, he added. “The people all feel like fellow nerd travelers.”
Sitting near the outdoor hot tub late in the afternoon on the second day, Michael, a 25-year-old space engineer, noted that he had traveled from Texas to probe his conflicted feelings around polyamory. “My cultural default is monogamy,” he said. “I don’t know if I can deal with feelings of jealousy. I’m trying to figure that out.” He was excited to process those emotions with other like-minded men.
https://sfstandard.com/2025/10/17/slutcon-flirt-girls-tech-bros/
Second, an incident from New York, that perhaps evidences the viewpoint that amoral libertines will keep pushing further and further, without limit:
Armed man wearing 'non-offending pedophile' sign storms stage at NYC Wikipedia conference
A Wikipedia conference in New York City took a bizarre turn Friday after an Ohio man draped in a sign declaring him to be an “anti-contact non-offending pedophile” got onstage with a gun and threatened to kill himself.
WikiConference North America 2025 kicked off at 9 a.m. at Civic Hall, a community center in Manhattan. During the opening ceremony, a man with a gun jumped onto the stage and pointed his weapon at the ceiling before being tackled by conference organizers, according to police and a Wikipedia spokesperson.
The man, whom police did not identify, was later taken into custody, the Wikipedia spokesperson said.
The man wore a multicolored sign around his neck that read “anti-contact non-offending pedophile,” according to law enforcement sources familiar with the matter. The sign bore the colors of a flag that has been used in recent years by people who identify as “MAPs,” or “minor-attracted persons.”
He also allegedly had the flag representing “MAPs” draped on his back bearing the same message.
According to John Hopkins University, nonoffending pedophiles “are a unique population of individuals who experience sexual interest in children, but despite common misperceptions, have neither had sexual contact with a child nor have accessed illegal child sexual exploitation material.”
The incident, and a possible motive, remain under investigation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arm...rcna238250
So I guess this is America now. What do you think about these things, in the larger context of society?
I've done a little research, and found this:
Undead Statutes: The Rise, Fall, and Continuing Uses of Adultery and Fornication Criminal Laws
To many, adultery and fornication criminal laws are historical relics from this Country’s earliest colonies. And yet, these laws have had surprising longevity in many states. Typically unenforced, these laws are sometimes still invoked by politicians or interest groups who seek a “moral” platform to impress or mobilize their conservative constituents. A number of recent examples exist. In 2009, the Minnesota Family Council, in the face of efforts to repeal Minnesota’s fornication and adultery laws, called for those laws to be strengthened instead. The repeal efforts ultimately failed.6 In 2012, Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association called for the re-criminalization of homosexuality and fornication nationwide. Also in 2012, Alaskan Governor Sean Parnell appointed a man to the state’s judicial appointments panel who believed that extra-marital sex should be a crime. Finally, as recently as 2013, two states’ sodomy laws were used to arrest or convict people.
A few states have recently repealed their adultery or fornication statutes. On the other hand, several state legislatures have considered and then refused to repeal their existing adultery or fornication statutes, indicating that the public may support criminalization of these acts. Despite these conflicting results, it is clear that even if states are unwilling to repeal these statutes, public opinion has changed. Lack of public interest in adultery and fornication prosecutions has led to fewer prosecutions, as the police and prosecutors have turned their attention to crimes that are considered to be more important. Changing policies have also caused adultery and fornication laws to come into conflict with constitutional rights, such as the right to privacy,19 as the public has come to see consensual sexual behavior between adults as beyond the remit of the State.
The history of adultery and fornication laws can show us why these laws were enacted and why they are no longer enforced. Adultery and fornication laws were originally cornerstones of a legal system that emphasized religious morality, so the decreasing enforcement of these laws indicates a fundamental shift in society’s values and culture. The change in culture can be observed in multiple ways: directly through increasing liberalism in the United States over time, and indirectly through the ways courts apply adultery and fornication laws. Court cases indicate that evidentiary issues, less zealous courts and juries, and, most recently, privacy issues have contributed to lower rates of adultery and fornication prosecutions.
To fully investigate the interplay of culture and adultery and fornication criminal statutes, in Part I, this Article examines the genesis of these laws, why they were created, and how they were used. In Part II, this Article looks at the change in culture, enforcement, and constitutionality of these laws over time. In Part III, this Article analyzes the evolution of evidentiary requirements surrounding these laws and how these changes further evidence a change in American culture and values. Finally, in Part IV, this Article examines why these criminal laws persist in some states, and how they can still be used to prosecute people.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcont...text=luclj (48-page PDF document)
This is quite a well-researched and clearly written paper; worth reading. It was published 11 years ago. Is opinion evolving?
Are public conduct standards always a religious issue? Is that off-limits to government? For most of America's history, the courts didn't think so. What changed?
Is it possible to have a society that acknowledges people's right to fester in sexual permissiveness, while also respecting others' right to live and raise their children in a society not polluted with the obscene?
![[Image: 87ynt.jpg]](https://denyignorance.com/uploader/images/87ynt.jpg)
