U.S. Economy Grows 4.3%​ in Q3 2025, Fastest in Two Years

[putnam6]

It depends on where these news media platforms got their information from, unlikely they did any independent investigative work beyond phoning someone at e a government agency, such as the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Most of the main stream media seem to have become government shills and/or lazy and/or don't want a lawsuit, so they just take the easy road.

You don't get figures from the MEDIA, you get the figures from the governmental agencies and departments that crunch the numbers. ANY media source worth a damn will have these links

https://www.bls.gov/

 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

I go to these sources and others, for years, and had constant battles with owners and sales managers because we had a huge territory and TPTB always wanted to chop it up, or cut our commission rates. 

Every quarter I had to show even though we had the most population, we usually had more unemployment, job loss, and a significant portion living under the poverty level, particularly more than in other regions and territories.  So even modest inflation weighed heavily on more of our end retail customers

The individual consumer's purchasing power was much lower, of course, AND Covid shutdowns skewed everything downward generally. Our states returned to business earlier, but 400-plus active retailers in our territory went OOB, as did about 30% of our wholesale suppliers

The CPI and  U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics will have THE  accurate OFFICIAL number by the EOQ 2026 

AND AGAIN, it's highly unlikely today's PRELIMINARY figures are off more than .5 percentage points. 

Ive been looking at these numbers quarterly since 2010-2011 most times it's .2-.3% shift at most, and it's not always downward 

 

Official inflation numbers in the United States, particularly the headline figures reported in the news, primarily come from the Consumer Price Index (CPI), calculated and published monthly by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), part of the Department of Labor

[quintessentone]

You don't get figures from the MEDIA, you get the figures from the governmental agencies and departments that crunch the numbers. ANY media source worth a damn will have these links

https://www.bls.gov/

 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

I go to these sources and others, for years, and had constant battles with owners and sales managers because we had a huge territory and TPTB always wanted to chop it up, or cut our commission rates. 

Every quarter I had to show even though we had the most population, we usually had more unemployment, job loss, and a significant portion living under the poverty level, particularly more than in other regions and territories.  So even modest inflation weighed heavily on more of our end retail customers

The individual consumer's purchasing power was much lower, of course, AND Covid shutdowns skewed everything downward generally. Our states returned to business earlier, but 400-plus active retailers in our territory went OOB, as did about 30% of our wholesale suppliers

The CPI and  U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics will have THE  accurate OFFICIAL number by the EOQ 2026 

AND AGAIN, it's highly unlikely today's PRELIMINARY figures are off more than .5 percentage points. 

Ive been looking at these numbers quarterly since 2010-2011 most times it's .2-.3% shift at most, and it's not always downward 

 

You've got big problems coming down the pipe from this non-partisan source.

"US economic growth to slow in the next 30 years, fueled by debt and declining birth rates, CBO saysWeak population gains and increased government spending will result in slower overall economic growth over the next 30 years, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Thursday"

"The mix of slower population growth and unfettered spending will also result in weaker economic growth over the next three decades than what the CBO projected last year. Lower birthrates also mean that the United States is becoming more dependent on immigrants working to sustain growth."
"The report also comes as the U.S. is on track to hit its statutory debt ceiling — the so-called X-date when the country runs short of money to pay its bills — as early as August without a deal between Congress and the White House."

US economic growth to slow in the next 30 years, fueled by debt and declining birth rates, CBO says | The Independent

[putnam6]

You've got big problems coming down the pipe from this non-partisan source.

"US economic growth to slow in the next 30 years, fueled by debt and declining birth rates, CBO saysWeak population gains and increased government spending will result in slower overall economic growth over the next 30 years, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Thursday"

"The mix of slower population growth and unfettered spending will also result in weaker economic growth over the next three decades than what the CBO projected last year. Lower birthrates also mean that the United States is becoming more dependent on immigrants working to sustain growth."
"The report also comes as the U.S. is on track to hit its statutory debt ceiling — the so-called X-date when the country runs short of money to pay its bills — as early as August without a deal between Congress and the White House."

US economic growth to slow in the next 30 years, fueled by debt and declining birth rates, CBO says | The Independent

You literally trashed mainstream media sources in the previous post, suggesting they vary wildly, and then say lets do that some more

While using a foreign mainstream media source for an analyst prediction with a capital A N A L.

The CBO is appointed by Congress which may be fine in less divisive times, but these last 4-10 years I'd be concerned with their findings just because it says it's non partisan doesn't make it non partisan.

Not to mention, I'll likely be dead in 10 years or less, 15 if Im lucky or unlucky based on the Independent.

 30-year economic predictions are notoriously inaccurate from any source

[ElitePlebeian]

Here in Canada we have socialized medicine as you know. You hear all kinds of bs stories about waiting times etc and I’m sure some of them are real. But I had stomach cancer a few years back (2021) and it was found and within a month it was taken out. It was a GIST, essentially an encapsulated tumour that had no malignancy. I have been a working Advanced Care Paramedic for a long time and I have never seen anyone turned away with an emergency need, so I can’t really speak to those stories.

I think the biggest problem here is that there just are not enough facilities, surgical theatres etc to keep up with the current needs. Not enough hospitals, doctors and staff.

But we don’t have to have any type of insurance over and above what we have as citizens. 

Your system in the US is drastically different. Yes we have the same technology, training and procedures, but you have privatized hospitals run by corporations. It makes for a different system that costs a fair bit more, but because they are making a lot more they can afford to throw up a few more hospitals etc into the mix. Unfortunately that means that you the consumer will be on the hook for their profits. How do you try to get around it? Insurance!! Yay! 

I wonder exactly how much collusion there is between the two parties there… Why do you pay so damn much for medication? Holy shit, don’t get me started on the Mexico thing that I deal with too.

I buy my meds in Mexico for a quarter of what I pay in Canada, which is probably a quarter of what you pay for the same thing. There’s definitely a two tier system (if not 3 tier) in Mexico. If you work for the government you go to this hospital, if you’re self employed or underemployed you go to that hospital. If you’re loaded you go to a private hospital.

It’s all insanity in my opinion. 

But remember, I’m Canadian and I believe in universal healthcare….

As usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

Im pro capitalism and mostly conservative but for an outsider the US healthcare system (and health insurance for that matter) seems a case where capitalism completely failed and needs a hard helping government hand in the same way El Salvador government has dealt with crime recently.

[ElitePlebeian]

Wait, my Trump criticism can't allow this...

But what drove the 3.5 consumer increase? 

And what does that actually say about the economy?

Ah, that's better.

But I guess on the surface 3.5% = good.

It also grew 33.1% during 2020 Q3, when everyone was locked inside their freaking homes.

But that shouldn't really count...

Trump (probably): Even though I went to Wharton, I still dont know anything about the economy, so I choose to spin this as, "The economy is the hottest it has ever been"

 And then ignore everything else.

And you spin it the way you want.. aside the fact you can always spin economy numbers and magnify some issues to draw a negative conclusion, a fact is; you were lied to about Trump blowing up the economy and tariffs.

Ow and the 33% in covid time was a rebound caused by a reopening of the economy; https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-dome...e-estimate

So no you cant just explain away all of this as insignificant. Pull your head out of the ground because while there are some issues (like always) the Trump economy is booming.

[putnam6]

Everybody expects immediate solutions, but the economy is always a work in progress. That progress is full of stops and starts 

For 935 products, the provisional import tariff rates levied on them will be lower than the most-favoured-nation rates applied to all World Trade Organization member states.

So starting in 2026, 935 Chinese products will be at rates lower than we had to pay the last 10 years, if not longer. Rates lower than most favoured nation WTO member states.

This is a huge surplus for companies that had to import these products 

 

BEIJING, Dec 29 (Reuters) - China announced on Monday tariff adjustments for some products beginning next year, including lowering the import duties on resource-based commodities such as recycled black powder for lithium-ion batteries.
The country will also lower levies on medical products including artificial blood vessels and diagnostic kits for certain infectious disease, according to a statement by the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council.
 
For 935 products, the provisional import tariff rates levied on them will be lower than the most-favoured-nation rates applied to all World Trade Organization member states, it added.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chin...ce=twitter