Jeffrey Epstein files: Ghislaine Maxwell is ready to reveal the 'truth'

[Vermilion]

In response to Vermilion:

You're implying: 

-Epstein didn't run a blackmail operation.

-Only Epstein was guilty of abusing the thousands of victims. There were no other perpetrators. 

-There is no "pedo client list" as you stated. In other words, there is no documentation or paper trail showing evidence of Epstein trafficking victims to anyone else other than himself.

-The only "list" in existence is made up of contacts...i.e. work associates, friends, etc.

-No one who flew on Epstein's plane, visited his island or any of his homes or compounds participated in SA of underage victims.

Your argument may have carried more weight a few months ago when Epstein wasn't on everyone's radar but with Trump's recent lies, constant spin, deceptive behavior and questionable actions, the argument "nothing to see here" holds less water every day that goes by.

The only people who buy into the "Epstein hoax" are Trump's most ardent and loyal supporters. Your numbers dwindle with each new development. 

What happens when there's no one left believing in the Emperor's new clothes?

I’m just trying to post the facts here.
There's plenty of mindless speculation, faux outrage and blatant misinformation muddying up this thread.
No evidence shows Epstein blackmailed anybody.
Maxwell is doing 20 for trafficking to Epstein.
No victims have come forward with credible evidence that they were victims of somebody other than Epstein and the Pedo Prince (the one with the sweating disorder).

The media is only running with this Epstein stuff to cover for the damning records that Tulsi Gabbard dropped today.
I can tell just from this board that the media is very good at turning nothing into “the biggest political scandal evahhh”.
Lots of hungry fish here swallowing the bait in addition to the so called maga who are spreading media and petty talking points.
They are just greedy influencers, useless boat anchors.

They won’t be able to ignore today’s bombshells for long.
Tulsi has the receipts to finally get Obama and the deep staters.
They’ll milk this Epstein non story for every drop but sooner or later they will have to report on it and you’ll find the Russia conspiracy to be quite a scandal for the history books.

[cherokeetroy]

I’m just trying to post the facts here.
There's plenty of mindless speculation, faux outrage and blatant misinformation muddying up this thread.
No evidence shows Epstein blackmailed anybody.
Maxwell is doing 20 for trafficking to Epstein.
No victims have come forward with credible evidence that they were victims of somebody other than Epstein and the Pedo Prince (the one with the sweating disorder).

The media is only running with this Epstein stuff to cover for the damning records that Tulsi Gabbard dropped today.
I can tell just from this board that the media is very good at turning nothing into “the biggest political scandal evahhh”.
Lots of hungry fish here swallowing the bait in addition to the so called maga who are spreading media and petty talking points.
They are just greedy influencers, useless boat anchors.

They won’t be able to ignore today’s bombshells for long.
Tulsi has the receipts to finally get Obama and the deep staters.
They’ll milk this Epstein non story for every drop but sooner or later they will have to report on it and you’ll find the Russia conspiracy to be quite a scandal for the history books.

1. You are completely evading the issue of Trump's lies, Bondi's lies, Patel's and Bongino's lies. In fact, it's their combined unscrupulous behavior that caused the Epstein stuff to blow up. 

2. Tulsi's "bombshells and receipts" will be totally meaningless unless there are arrests.

People are catching on that they're being strung along.

[IDELB2006]

I’m just trying to post the facts here.
There's plenty of mindless speculation, faux outrage and blatant misinformation muddying up this thread.
No evidence shows Epstein blackmailed anybody.
Maxwell is doing 20 for trafficking to Epstein.
No victims have come forward with credible evidence that they were victims of somebody other than Epstein and the Pedo Prince (the one with the sweating disorder).

The media is only running with this Epstein stuff to cover for the damning records that Tulsi Gabbard dropped today.
I can tell just from this board that the media is very good at turning nothing into “the biggest political scandal evahhh”.
Lots of hungry fish here swallowing the bait in addition to the so called maga who are spreading media and petty talking points.
They are just greedy influencers, useless boat anchors.

They won’t be able to ignore today’s bombshells for long.
Tulsi has the receipts to finally get Obama and the deep staters.
They’ll milk this Epstein non story for every drop but sooner or later they will have to report on it and you’ll find the Russia conspiracy to be quite a scandal for the history books.

I'm sorry, but a Trump official saying look at me, I got the receipts.

I will believe it when I see it.

To soon.

[cherokeetroy]

I'm sorry, but a Trump official saying look at me, I got the receipts.

I will believe it when I see it.

To soon.

It's crazy. 

Trump has been fighting corruption of the deep state and the "losers and criminals" on the left for nearly a decade, now with zero arrests. 

He brings the receipts and everytime it looks like he's closing in, somehow those sly rascals slip right through his fingers. 

On the flipside, the Democrats seem to have the very same problem successfully pinning anything on Trump. They try and they try but he's impervious to their assaults. 

He just keeps on winning. 

Weird

[cherokeetroy]

Vermilion wrote:

There’s probably a list of contacts in epsteins phone and office.
Similar to the ones in your phone and office.
Do you want to start up a lynch mob by releasing it?

Do you think he a little black book labeled “pedo clients” ?

There are thousands of “victims” that have come forward and received settlements.
They all signed a contract saying their names will not be released.
Most of those are also behind court orders so you should cry at the judge.
That contract also says that if they want to out themselves then they have that right to do so.
Very few have come forward and I don’t blame them.
That kind of trauma doesn’t need to be relived, I’m sure you’d agree.

There is a lot of drama about releasing information blah blah blah.
There are tons of stuff that is out there if one would only look for.
Seems like the noise of those people is louder than their search for the truth.
I bet you and the others crying about this have never even seen the contract.
You really should read it.

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I missed it earlier but I just now caught it

In your response you wrote "victims" in quotes

Which implies you really don't believe any of it

You don't even believe there were literal victims or that anyone was actually abused

Which means from your pov there was no trafficking. Everything was legal and consensual?

That's pretty bold, taking that hardline stance

It does explain lot, though

[Vermilion]

Vermilion wrote:

There’s probably a list of contacts in epsteins phone and office.
Similar to the ones in your phone and office.
Do you want to start up a lynch mob by releasing it?

Do you think he a little black book labeled “pedo clients” ?

There are thousands of “victims” that have come forward and received settlements.
They all signed a contract saying their names will not be released.
Most of those are also behind court orders so you should cry at the judge.
That contract also says that if they want to out themselves then they have that right to do so.
Very few have come forward and I don’t blame them.
That kind of trauma doesn’t need to be relived, I’m sure you’d agree.

There is a lot of drama about releasing information blah blah blah.
There are tons of stuff that is out there if one would only look for.
Seems like the noise of those people is louder than their search for the truth.
I bet you and the others crying about this have never even seen the contract.
You really should read it.

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I missed it earlier but I just now caught it

In your response you wrote "victims" in quotes

Which implies you really don't believe any of it

You don't even believe there were literal victims or that anyone was actually abused

Which means from your pov there was no trafficking. Everything was legal and consensual?

That's pretty bold, taking that hardline stance

It does explain lot, though

Thousands of “victims”, the majority of who were willing participants.
Maxwell recruited girls who recruited more of their friends than she did.
They were willing to give massages or more for the cash.
Guiffre was only one of many recruiters.
Here’s one example….
 “The victim, whose name remained sealed, said that a high school classmate had suggested the job to her. Later, she learned that girls who referred other girls to Epstein were paid kickbacks.
She herself brought other girls from her high school to Epstein's house. None of them were her friends, she said.
"Sometimes I would go over and I would just swim and I would get paid, or I would take a nap and I'd get paid, or I would just hang out and I'd get paid," she said. "It wasn't my assumption that they were coming over to do anything. I did not know, once the door was closed or once they went to another area of the home. I often just went over and did my own thing while they were doing whatever they were doing. It was none of my business."



Florida age of consent then was 17 and the “victims” did most of the recruiting.
Its degenerate yet those are the facts.

Similar comparison if I said college “educated”.
Nothing to white knuckle your pearls about.

[Maxmars]

Who would have thought upper-class elites would enjoy a prostitution-training cult?.... 

Yeah... Many teenagers may be corruptible to the highest order.

An once told "how easy it is" by friends... and getting money.... travel... meeting [insert star].... yeah...

Of course, it's likely true that there were some who didn't want to object... perhaps even sought out to be
some celebrity's 'free-use' toy... (that must do wonders for the rep... the ego... the self-esteem...   oh wait.)

If this were an "ordinary" cluster of simple citizens.... would there be ANY hesitation to prosecute?

This is the kind of thing that fractures confidence in society... the uncertainty of their own vulnerability to abuse starts to coalesce in the minds of the citizens... after that... triggers start working, sparks start to catch.

Isn't it odd that there are no activists clamoring to virtue signal about this travesty of human behavior perpetrated on an industrial scale using minors as bait? .... Nothing to say?

Instead it's about which celebrity soiled their reputation. 
(And please, Oh Please! Let it be the one I hate the most.)

Assuming ALL these minors were in fact eager and giddy for their upcoming role in the "glamorous life"...
they remain victims still...

[cherokeetroy]

Vermilion wrote:
Thousands of “victims”, the majority of who were willing participants.Maxwell recruited girls who recruited more of their friends than she did.They were willing to give massages or more for the cash.Guiffre was only one of many recruiters.Here’s one example…. “The victim, whose name remained sealed, said that a high school classmate had suggested the job to her. Later, she learned that girls who referred other girls to Epstein were paid kickbacks.She herself brought other girls from her high school to Epstein's house. None of them were her friends, she said."Sometimes I would go over and I would just swim and I would get paid, or I would take a nap and I'd get paid, or I would just hang out and I'd get paid," she said. "It wasn't my assumption that they were coming over to do anything. I did not know, once the door was closed or once they went to another area of the home. I often just went over and did my own thing while they were doing whatever they were doing. It was none of my business."
 Florida age of consent then was 17 and the “victims” did most of the recruiting.Its degenerate yet those are the facts. Similar comparison if I said college “educated”.Nothing to white knuckle your pearls about.

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I'm simply making an observation 

And noticing when you say things that are contradictory 

Like calling the girls willing participants who were at the age of consent (in Florida)

While simultaneously referring to Epstein as a "pedo"

As far as "willingness to participate" goes, it's been noted Ghislaine was looking for a specific personality type. She and Epstein preyed on girls who were runaways, came from troubled or broken homes, were prior victims of childhood SA, including torture and physical/mental/emotional abuse

These girls are more susceptible to manipulation and coercion. They're easier to groom and control

They're brainwashed by charismatic, domineering, older adults

It's no different than being groomed into a cult

I'm sure Epstein was very familiar with MKUltra techniques

[sahgwa]

If you accept the notion that the outer world is merely a mirror or projection of our innermost embodied beliefs, it becomes easier to understand that the evil of this system will never be mitigated until humanity mitigates the evil within.

There is nothing new under the sun .

[KKLoco]

There is nothing new under the sun .

This is true grasshopper. The ramifications of that statement have far more implications than one can take at face value.