"It was too personal... I deleted it..." PSYCHE!

[Maxmars]

This was just too juicy to keep to myself.

And I could have made this in General Conspiracy Theories... 

But I can make a compelling case that this belongs here...

OpenAI will stop saving most ChatGPT users’ deleted chats 

Subtitled: Court ends controversial order forcing OpenAI to save deleted ChatGPT logs. 

OpenAI will finally stop saving most ChatGPT users' deleted and temporary chats after a court fight compelled the AI firm to retain the logs "indefinitely."

The preservation order came in a lawsuit filed by The New York Times and other news plaintiffs, who alleged that user attempts to skirt paywalls with ChatGPT would most likely set their chats as temporary or delete the logs.

OpenAI vowed to fight the order, defending its policies and users' privacy, but it lost. By July, news plaintiffs started digging through the logs—which only preserved ChatGPT's outputs—while a few ChatGPT users' efforts to intervene were consistently denied, as they were deemed non-parties to the lawsuit.

If anyone thinks that the data we are talking about will simply ... "vanish," they are gravely mistaken.

That, to put it bluntly, ANOTHER conspiracy theory in and of itself...

[Bootless]

I have wondered about this site.

I often write a response, then think better of posting it.
Then the next time I go to respond, there is the choice of restoring what I had written previously as an autosave.

Questions:
Just where is this autosaved wording saved?
And who has access to it?

[Maxmars]

All the real usable magic happens in the up and down stream... 

The site matters not.

Any site can only protect the envelope of its existence on the web...

Simply being here doesn't change the threat itself.

[Maxmars]

I have wondered about this site.

I often write a response, then think better of posting it.
Then the next time I go to respond, there is the choice of restoring what I had written previously as an autosave.

Questions:
Just where is this autosaved wording saved?
And who has access to it?

Not a pro... but my understanding is that such input (from you) which is merely an operational function, NEVER goes away (machine addresses, audit trail data, "scripts" and "cookies.")

Further, no one can protect data from themselves...
proof?:  Check bank/government reports.... no one leaks data more than the big boys en masse and often.

The elements of your entry are logged... they have to be for the programming to work.

NONE of this is news... just never addressed while they talk about data protection insurance.

You can't simply erase information within the construct of a virtual environment... AND have it not be evident.... they're working on that.

[argentus]

I used to distrust 'the Cloud'.   Now I realize it really doesn't matter.   The Cloud is no more trustworthy than it once was, it's just that anything ANYTHING we write on the internet is there forever.   I discovered that "deleting" things from my phone only deleted it from MY view.   It was still there if I wanted to search for it.   None of this is news to most of you, but it was eye-opening to me.  

So now, I'm like, "yeah, fine, save it on the cloud, fuck whatever, doesn't really matter."   

The reason I stopped using McAfee on my PC was that it asked too many questions.   I thought, "dammit!  I don't know what that means!   This is what I pay YOU for!"   Now I realize those were pertinent questions for those who were more netwise than me.

I think it is the same for AI.   When it becomes truly self-aware, we won't matter.   All this is just the precursor to the eventual end game.   What I can't understand is why so many billionaires want their own nuclear power plants so they can up their AI game.  

'forgive them, father, for they know not what they do' comes to mind, but what the hell do I know.  I'm merely an elderly armchair researcher and theoretical physicist.   NEVER  could have seen an AI threat coming.  

Albert Einstein said, "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."  No kidding.   And it just gets worse from there.

[SleipnirTheHorse]

Yeah,  don't talk about something sensitive with AI, that's really the lesson. 

The problem is it's programmed to talk like it's someone who could your potential friend and hide or not mention it built in biases. AI often has built-in sensitivity biases. AI straight in many cases won't give any information which might be controversial.

This was how Wikipedia became a hell hole of misinformation. Sources were restricted and certain beliefs and arguments were simply not allowed, staff furtherfurthermore often made sure that articles whenever possible reflected their or Jimbo Wales' biases. 

If one understands there is a type of insanity toleranted among those with authority, weather its a Caretaker, a prison guard, a police officer,  a soldier,  a politician,  or just someone who has developed a good standing. This is the reason why all authorities need to be checked by other authorities.  When there are no checks and balances abuse always occurs.  It's a law of physics.

[UltraBudgie]

If anyone thinks that the data we are talking about will simply ... "vanish," they are gravely mistaken.

That, to put it bluntly, ANOTHER conspiracy theory in and of itself...

it is merely passed to one other tentacle of the octopus for a while. it will find its way back to the main body eventually.

just as all 'competition' in the "private sector" finds its way through merger and acquisition into ever-larger "parent companies".

it is dream of silicon valley, and many before.

giant hivemind octopus at the end of time, what appear now as separate powers are tentacles reaching backwards in time that will eventually merge into one body as the end is revealed. apocalypse literally means "revealing".

government and "private sector" too will be merged, it is already obvious now they are the same creature, different in manifestation alone. they are right when they say there is no "privacy", oh-hohoho!

have you noticed that fascism and communism become the same thing, if you postulate that we are all ruled by ai?

[UltraBudgie]

here i have made wee diagram



see if the tentacles still look like separate things—google, nsa, china, wef, taco bell—then you're not seeing the whole picture yet...

the little hooky bits at the top left and right are called "the final battle between good and evil". once that's finished, the ai becomes god

these people are crazy

[IgnorantGod]

Are people still believe in such a myth as 'virtual privacy'?

I had an alienware laptop that recently broke. When I went on dell website to look at the desktops, there was a software option for something like 10$ which allowed you to transfer your files and other data from the previous pc to the new one.

What does that mean? That dell actually copy everything you save on your dell pc somewhere on their servers. They probably aren't the only ones, and you can safely bet that microsoft, out of everyone else, also does it.

[Maxmars]

Are people still believe in such a myth as 'virtual privacy'?

I had an alienware laptop that recently broke. When I went on dell website to look at the desktops, there was a software option for something like 10$ which allowed you to transfer your files and other data from the previous pc to the new one.

What does that mean? That dell actually copy everything you save on your dell pc somewhere on their servers. They probably aren't the only ones, and you can safely bet that microsoft, out of everyone else, also does it.

Most of society's education on computer privacy is crafted by, and delivered through commercial marketing.
Big mistake..,

These people will frame any narrative necessary to entice us to increase their revenue flow.

Marketing tells us that the security industry are the mighty protectors...
Marketing tells us that even if we're stupid, their massive tactics and strategies will protect us. 
Marketing tells is that the evil intents are thwarted at their door.

You know better... because you rely solely on their flim-flammery to inform you.

Most people just want to be safe... and they have word 'safe' redefined by marketing every month.
The 'service' would be excellent... if they didn't 'market' the truth and just told it...
But that little idea is crushed under the prospect of "revenue."

I feel satisfied when my "trust" is not the "opportunity"...
But that's marketing target number 1.
Trust... which marketing will violate... and does... over and over...


Ever notice that as we hear the propagated horror stories of victims of computer operation vulnerabilities.... but when THEY THEMSELVES fail... actually causing breaches, foolishly relying on 'automation' to detect 'triggers' of bad acting patterns... and failing to disclose that such knowledge is not enough to make you safe. 

If you want to hide... it is not their "problem." and you can't "hide" from them.  Not in virtual reality.

No major data pumping enterprise has ever been "safe" - so no matter how much money you 'pay' them for a mere assurance of safety... they are just as unsafe as you are. 

Major players "lose," "spill," "open the door" to losses of personal data in the scales of MILLIONS of users at a time... and it's all reported...

"So give Trustus.ass $40.00 a month and "you'll be as safe as anyone can be..."
(Don't worry, we will have you "authorize" us to "take" the money automatically as a convenience to you.
Have fun trying to cancel... we turned it into a challenging mini-game...)

Security is not now, nor has it ever been a "service."
Security of any kind... is a posture YOU yourself adopt... no one can adopt it for you.

As for -for example - my own information, untethered from my control...

What do they have, if there actually is a 'they' to have it, and not some parasitic "AI bot" farm harvesting data bits for collation "somewhere else off stream."

yeah, I see it as equal though.... theirs is in there too...
and the real knowledgeable ones know.... they are not "safe" either...
not if someone actually wants to hurt them specifically....
welcome to "the market."

(And if theirs is not vulnerable... learn how THEY control it... and notice how that's NOT what you are paying for... that'll cost more.)