It's time to DEMOTE a few U.S. states

[madmac5150]

I have heard calls for a "National Divorce" of sorts... "let's punt the socialist states out" (from the right) or "let's split to form our own utopian socialist society" (from the left). Probably not a great idea. If we were to kick CA, OR, and WA out of our union... they would quickly invite the Chinese Communists in to their little party.

I think a better idea (if it can be done at all) would be to demote those rogue states to U.S. territories.

The recent "elections" in California are a prime example of socialist rule. They have crafted their system to exclude anyone that doesn't play by their rules. Spencer Pratt was robbed of a chance to become mayor. People the voted for Mr. Pratt have been robbed of their rights to vote. Steve Hilton only survived the governor's race, because of the unwanted attention that the L.A. race had focused on the obvious chicanery. If California cannot secure a simple mayoral election, why the hell should we trust them in any national election?

What about all of those Constitution loving Californian's... the people that this would hurt the worst? They would suddenly have new options... conservative counties in the Territory of California could immediately petition to join a neighboring U.S State. The eastern parts of the Territories of Oregon and Washington could do the same.

Certainly the socialists will scream about a lack of representation... they still get seats in Congress, they can still act out their theatrics and get their likes on social media... that's all they care about. They just can't vote on anything. They won't allow their own citizens to have free voting rights, why should they get voting rights in national policy?

We could also tax those territorial governments at the same rates as they tax their citizenry. Tax them into the same submission that, they choose to inflict on their own "voters".

We can secure our rights to those Territories with military force, when needed. No Chinese or other foreign actors would be permitted a foothold on our territorial lands.

I think governments the states of CA, WA, OR, NY, MI, MN, DE, VA, IL, ME, VT, NC really need a little "time out"... let's sit them in a proverbial corner for awhile.

There are more than enough "red states" to make this happen, if it can be done. The "red counties" in those blue states will quickly jump ship. Isolate the socialists... let them have the urban hellscapes they have built for themselves, but nothing more.

Thoughts?

[andy06shake]

I have heard calls for a "National Divorce" of sorts... "let's punt the socialist states out" (from the right) or "let's split to form our own utopian socialist society" (from the left). Probably not a great idea. If we were to kick CA, OR, and WA out of our union... they would quickly invite the Chinese Communists in to their little party.

I think a better idea (if it can be done at all) would be to demote those rogue states to U.S. territories.

The recent "elections" in California are a prime example of socialist rule. They have crafted their system to exclude anyone that doesn't play by their rules. Spencer Pratt was robbed of a chance to become mayor. People the voted for Mr. Pratt have been robbed of their rights to vote. Steve Hilton only survived the governor's race, because of the unwanted attention that the L.A. race had focused on the obvious chicanery. If California cannot secure a simple mayoral election, why the hell should we trust them in any national election?

What about all of those Constitution loving Californian's... the people that this would hurt the worst? They would suddenly have new options... conservative counties in the Territory of California could immediately petition to join a neighboring U.S State. The eastern parts of the Territories of Oregon and Washington could do the same.

Certainly the socialists will scream about a lack of representation... they still get seats in Congress, they can still act out their theatrics and get their likes on social media... that's all they care about. They just can't vote on anything. They won't allow their own citizens to have free voting rights, why should they get voting rights in national policy?

We could also tax those territorial governments at the same rates as they tax their citizenry. Tax them into the same submission that, they choose to inflict on their own "voters".

We can secure our rights to those Territories with military force, when needed. No Chinese or other foreign actors would be permitted a foothold on our territorial lands.

I think governments the states of CA, WA, OR, NY, MI, MN, DE, VA, IL, ME, VT, NC really need a little "time out"... let's sit them in a proverbial corner for awhile.

There are more than enough "red states" to make this happen, if it can be done. The "red counties" in those blue states will quickly jump ship. Isolate the socialists... let them have the urban hellscapes they have built for themselves, but nothing more.

Thoughts?

Does California not contribute roughly 15% of your nation's GDP?

[madmac5150]

Does California not contribute roughly 15% of your nation's GDP?

Yup. How much of that is going out the door a fraud? How much of that GDP goes straight into their pockets, and the pockets of those that prop them up?

How much of that GDP would quickly jump ship? Big companies are already leaving CA in droves...

[andy06shake]

Yup. How much of that is going out the door a fraud? How much of that GDP goes straight into their pockets, and the pockets of those that prop them up?

How much of that GDP would quickly jump ship? Big companies are already leaving CA in droves...

The fact is, California remains the largest US state economy.

And gross domestic product measures economic activity.

Not a politician's income.

If the USA were to lose California, Washington, and Oregon.

Which would seem to equate to around 18/20% of its GDP.

The result would a severe recession.

It would be one of the biggest economic shocks in modern history.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Thoughts?

Oh, Poor Spencer Pratt, he lost to two liberals in LA! 

Lol..

I think what you're missing is there are not enough republicans or independents in LA to ADVANCE Spencer Pratt over two liberals in a mayor election. Not like its Orange County or IE. 

Although i did like his Harbor Freeway comment. LA said, "Back to The Hills with you!"  

For Governor, Hilton advanced and the Bernie Sanders Analog didn’t, (un)fortunately that's the end of the line for Steve Hilton.  

Say Hello to CA Governor, Xavier Becerra! 

With funding mostly from Pacific Gas and Electric, Meta, and Chevron he will stand firm against a billionaires tax and clear the way for the energy sector and Silicon Valley! 

Steve Hilton has Fox News. His largest campaign contribution was Rupert Murdoch. So expect tons of Fox News commentary on our already over Governor's race. 

But if you really want us gone, we do have the 4th or 5th largest world economy on our own...  Plus we have a budget surplus again. 9.7 billion boosted mostly by AI stocks and silicon valley corporate taxes. And that's why Becerra, PG&E, and Meta are a good choice!

We are not spending the surplus though. They are putting it into a "Surplus Holding Account" for future budgets.

** If kicked out, Can our National Anthem be a Green Day song?

[madmac5150]

Thoughts?

Oh, Poor Spencer Pratt, he lost to two liberals in LA! 

Lol..

I think what you're missing is there are not enough republicans or independents in LA to ADVANCE Spencer Pratt over two liberals in a mayor election. Not like its Orange County or IE. 

Although i did like his Harbor Freeway comment. LA said, "Back to The Hills with you!"  

For Governor, Hilton advanced and the Bernie Sanders Analog didn’t, (un)fortunately that's the end of the line for Steve Hilton.  

Say Hello to CA Governor, Xavier Becerra! 

With funding mostly from Pacific Gas and Electric, Meta, and Chevron he will stand firm against a billionaires tax and clear the way for the energy sector and Silicon Valley! 

Steve Hilton has Fox News. His largest campaign contribution was Rupert Murdoch. So expect tons of Fox News commentary on our already over Governor's race. 

But if you really want us gone, we do have the 4th or 5th largest world economy on our own...  Plus we have a budget surplus again. 9.7 billion boosted mostly by AI stocks and silicon valley corporate taxes. And that's why Becerra, PG&E, and Meta are a good choice!

We are not spending the surplus though. They are putting it into a "Surplus Holding Account" for future budgets.

** If kicked out, Can our National Anthem be a Green Day song?

I suggest "American Idiot".

I'm not suggesting kicking CA out, at all. Try re-reading my post. I made that clear from the beginning.

[andy06shake]

I suggest "American Idiot".

I'm not suggesting kicking CA out, at all. Try re-reading my post. I made that clear from the beginning.

And how do you imagine the citizens of California, Washington, and Oregon would feel about their states being demoted to US territories?

Im apt to ponder they would not be too happy at the prospect of being made what essentially amounts to second-class citizens.

As far as I'm led to believe, your people don't generally react well to losing constitutional rights...

Civil war would be on the cards.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I suggest "American Idiot".

I'm not suggesting kicking CA out, at all. Try re-reading my post. I made that clear from the beginning.

Well thank you, I dont want to be closer to China either. 

"Demote to territory," it is. Put us in timeout for being liberal and NOT a uniparty team player... 

But its hard not to be defensive when these things are said...

The recent "elections" in California are a prime example of socialist rule. They have crafted their system to exclude anyone that doesn't play by their rules.

Get over our "Jungle primary," we voted to use it. In 2010 Prop 14 passed 54% to 46%. Republican Governator was a vocal proponent of Prop 14.  It was an "Anti-establishment centrist initiative," that was supported and opposed on both sides. 

There is so much Fox News in your OP that frames our unaffiliated Jungle primaries as a socialist agenda its hard to take you seriously.

Yes, we elect our Governor like France elects their president... Viva la California!

[govshill2]

The fact is, California remains the largest US state economy.

And gross domestic product measures economic activity.

Not a politician's income.

If the USA were to lose California, Washington, and Oregon.

Which would seem to equate to around 18/20% of its GDP.

The result would a severe recession.

It would be one of the biggest economic shocks in modern history.

If those "States" become "Territories", the economies might remain the same. Why would the economies change?    

[madmac5150]

And how do you imagine the citizens of California, Washington, and Oregon would feel about their states being demoted to US territories?

Im apt to ponder they would not be too happy at the prospect of being made what essentially amounts to second-class citizens.

As far as I'm led to believe, your people don't generally react well to losing constitutional rights...

Civil war would be on the cards.

Eastern WA and eastern OR are already trying to leave. Look up "Greater Idaho".

If you look at the county by county election results from '24, there are no "blue states"... just blue counties surrounding large metro areas.

In no way do I want a civil war. Those from ATS will remember me as a combat USAF veteran and retiree. I have seen war very close up.

Right now, in those supposed "blue states", you have a ruling class established in the cities telling rural folks how to live. Rural areas have zero voice in those states. Many counties in southwest Virginia, are considering leaving to join WV. Montani Semper Liberi. I no longer live there, but I am a native Mountaineer... the folks at home would love to have them.

If you give those people living in "red counties" in those "blue states" a chance to bolt for greener pastures... those Territories would be comprised of nothing more than a few metro areas.

Call it an "administrative civil war". That's all it would be.

Those blue counties gave away their 2nd Amendment rights to the leftists. Maybe that wasn't a great idea.

You get the picture.