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Is Barack Obama's dream, now a reality
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(06-19-2024, 07:36 PM)Byrd Wrote: Biden and Obama give a speech together.  They're from the same political party and have the same general values.  Their presidencies reflect the Democrats' platform.

It's not Barack's platform.  It's not Joe's platform.  It's the party's:
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

I might also point out that when you look for the Republican Party's platform (go look!)... the only platform statement that shows up is from 2016: https://www.gop.com/about-our-party/ 

Ballotpedia indicates that their 2020 platform was just the 2016 platform with a few revisions: https://ballotpedia.org/The_Republican_P...form,_2020

I like to see political parties that change with the times.  We don't need things like humiliating people by putting them in stocks or drowning them to see if they're telling the truth.

Where did I say infer or suggest they weren't likeminded at one time? 

Im a huge believer Dick Cheney was the person behind the scenes during "Dubya's" tenure. Rumors were Wilson's wife basically took over after Woodrow's stroke, some would suggest to the detriment of the country. 

I can be skeptical AF of the machinations that occur in DC on both sides and still realize the uniqueness of Obama's quote. Similar uniqueness to his rumored quote in 2020 and I paraphrase "to not underestimate Joe's ability to f--- things up"

The thread is about Obama's famous quote about pulling the strings behind the scenes and not having to deal with the extraneous details of being the President. Nothing wrong with it per se, but it is an interesting topic to me. Especially in our current Presidential situation. 

I can't recall any other President even being asked such a question, fairly certain none of the other Presidents in my lifetime hinted that they would like to be the man behind the curtain after 2 terms as Commander in Chief. 

Im not even going to argue your overly simplified assertion that Trump's platform was the Republican platform. Virtually in name only, there is plenty of evidence where DJT and the Republican Party disagree. 

For me to address the" put people in stocks or drown them" I will need some clarification, as to what that actual means

I do know ever since the US could "drone strike" Presidents of both parties have shown no aversion to reaching out and touching the nefarious never-do wells of the world.

What I did say, suggest or infer is considering our current administration, Im optimistic Obama is there to keep them from making critical mistakes. It's not a far-out concept 

It's not much different than both parties consulting Henry Kissinger at various critical and chaotic points since he left public service. 

https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/dis...9175-e-722
 
Quote:During the Carter presidency, he operated as something akin to the “shadow” secretary of state, offering support for some of Carter’s initiatives, such as the Panama Canal Treaty and the Camp David Accords, but provided withering criticisms of other aspects of Carter’s foreign policy, including its emphasis on human rights and its policy toward Iran. Kissinger lobbied hard for the Shah to be admitted for medical treatment but was criticized harshly when this led to the seizure of American hostages.

Kissinger developed a strong bond with Sadat, effectively turning Egypt away from its pro-Soviet stance toward the United States and planting the seeds for the Camp David agreements of the Jimmy Carter years.

Kissinger did maintain close and friendly relations with President Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Famed Washington journalist Bob Woodward argued that Kissinger played a key role in advising George W. Bush on the Iraq War, urging him not to withdraw American soldiers from Iraq without a military victory. In the 2008 presidential contest, Barack Obama cleverly used Kissinger’s advocacy of direct diplomacy with American adversaries like Iran and Syria to undermine Senator John McCain’s position during their first foreign policy debate in 2008. Although his advanced age made Kissinger a less visible figure during the Obama years, as recently as the 2016 Democratic primary debates, Senator Bernie Sanders could still attack Hillary Clinton for her willingness to take advice from Kissinger when she was secretary of state.
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RE: Is Barack Obama's dream, now a reality - by putnam6 - 06-20-2024, 05:04 PM

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