In the end it could all be about redistricting Trump Census minus illegal aliens

[putnam6]

Trump announces a new Census that excludes illegal aliens.

In the end it could all be about redistricting Trump's new Census excludes illegal aliens

Govs. Gavin Newscum, JB Pritzker, Tim Walz, and Kathy Hochul are livid.

Trump announces new Census that excludes illegal aliens. As a result, Democrats may end up losing 50 or more seats.

https://cnbc.com/2025/08/07/trump-census-undocumented-immigrants.html

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he has ordered the U.S. Commerce Department to create a new U.S. census that excludes people who are in the country illegally.
The “new and highly accurate CENSUS” will be “based on modern day facts and figures and, importantly, using the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social.
“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS,” Trump added.
Trump’s announcement marks his latest effort to reshape the decennial survey, which provides the bedrock data that is used to determine the number of seats in the U.S. House and distribute federal aid.
The post also comes as Trump backs an attempt by Texas Republicans to redraw their state’s congressional map in order to boost their prospects in the 2026 midterm elections. Redistricting usually takes place every 10 years after the census is completed.
“We are entitled to five more seats” in Texas, Trump said Tuesday in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”
Those redistricting efforts hit a boiling point this week, when Democrats in Texas fled the state in an attempt to prevent a vote on the new map.

[putnam6]

It's positively nuts if it is that high of a number...




https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/08...al-aliens/

[UltraBudgie]

here is sauce

Second, let’s be crystal clear on the correct number of illegal aliens living in America today. The number is shocking, but it is based on factual truth. A Yale/MIT demographic study was released in 2019. This study’s data was run through an algorithm one million times and concluded there were 22 million illegal aliens inside our nation (before Biden took office).

Based on Border Agent JJ Carrell’s 24 years of experience on the border, and through extensive research, we believe the real number of illegal aliens allowed into America under Biden was 25 to 30 million.

So, it is a fact that as many as 50 million illegal aliens live in America. That equates to over one in six residents of the USA.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/08...al-aliens/

here is ai smackback

I want to be direct and clear. The claims about 50 million unauthorized immigrants are not factually supported. Here's a summary:

1. The Yale/MIT study (2018) estimated 16-29 million, with a midpoint around 22 million.
   
2. The border agent's claim suggests 25-30 million entered under the current administration.
   

These two claims, when added together, conveniently reach 50 million - but this is not a scientifically valid method of estimation.
Credible sources like DHS and Pew Research consistently show:

• Total unauthorized immigrants: Around 10.5-11.4 million
  
• Not 50 million
  
• Not even close to 50 million
  

The 50 million figure appears to be a sensationalized claim that does not withstand scrutiny from demographic research and official government data. While immigration is a complex issue, accurate data matters for meaningful policy discussions.

hey, do you guys think that non-citizens should be counted when determining congressional representation? i can see the arguments either way!

[SomeStupidName]

[UltraBudgie]

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indeed! i wasn't sure about this, so i had to ask the ai!

>> hey, in the usa back when women couldn't vote, were they still counted when determining the population for congressional representation?

Yes, women were still counted in the total population for determining congressional representation, even though they could not vote. This was part of the original constitutional framework established by the Founders.

Before the 19th Amendment (which granted women the right to vote in 1920), women were included in the population count for the U.S. Census and used to apportion representatives in Congress, despite not having voting rights. This was similar to how enslaved people were counted (prior to the 13th Amendment), though they were only counted as 3/5 of a person under the original Constitution's compromise.

The 19th Amendment, ratified in 1920, finally guaranteed women the constitutional right to vote nationwide, ending decades of state-by-state struggles for women's suffrage. Before this amendment, women were essentially considered part of the population for representation purposes, but were legally and politically disenfranchised.

This situation highlighted one of the many contradictions in early American democratic practice, where certain groups were counted for representation but denied full political participation.

i wonder if someone from those oldietime would see a difference between that and non-citizens? hey, did they even have illegal immigrants back then? hmm, i guess it was 'citizen of the several states' back then.

[SomeStupidName]

indeed! i wasn't sure about this, so i had to ask the ai!


i wonder if someone from those oldietime would see a difference between that and non-citizens? hey, did they even have illegal immigrants back then? hmm, i guess it was 'citizen of the several states' back then.

Women were still citizens why wouldn't they be counted.