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[Heiden]

Hey! I wanna need to seek help too!!!

I've read A LOT about in utero hormone levels too!

Like if the mother has an overactive thyroid and gets prescribed hormones to get that under control it raises the likelihood of androgynous traits in the fetus...

Now... look at your hand...

*these are averages, not black/white

And yes, it is science! Just not any you'd bother to read.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11910785/

Summary of conclusion: The most masculine are the most exposed in utero, the most naturally gay, and vice-versa. 

Its neither nature nor nurture exclusively.  But where "butch" (read as transgender) traits are concerned, it's more inherent (read as natural) than the born-again "femme" lesbian in her 20s..

And here's some charts! :)
 
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Question(s):

Why do homosexual men have shorter ratios like heterosexual women, and why do homosexual women have ratios closer to heterosexual men?

Bonus question!

Why do the most masculine women have the most male 2D/4D ratio?

 It's like... there may be something (spectrum-related) to it that gets dismissed as to not be made uncomfortable by what it says.

But they are still born into the right body. Evey single person or animal for that matter has been born into the right body. You might not like the body. you might like people with the same kind of body as yours. You may not like people at all. But there has never nor will there ever be any person or animal that was born into the wrong body. Its not fantasy or some mumbo jumbo word game you spin. We all got one body, its ours and its the right one no matter how bad you dont want it to be.
 Like the Kirk shooters boyfriend. he may think he should be a girl or a furry animal, but the simple fact is he is not. He just has a mental issue
   So yes if anyone believes this born into wrong body fantasy, please seek help. you need it.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Okay, lets try something different.

I knew a girl, that's now a guy.

And "she" was this all over.  Even as a girl he had a real boxy body, broad shoulders, and walked masculinity. Couldnt dance. No grace. Liked to get dirty destroying things in the backyard as a kid. 

"Her" 2D/4D ratio was very masculine. He suffered gender dysphoria with XX chromosomes from as early as 4.

What's gender dysphoria? 

Trying to stand to pee and having to be told to sit, and by 2nd grade keeping a toy in his underwear to mimic a dick.

Not a hemophrodite, but born into the wrong body. And quite obviously.

Mental disease doesn't prompt a 4 year old "girl" from a very catholic Mexican family (a culture exalted for macho masculinity and pretty dresses for little girls) to want to pee standing up.

He has stories about screaming when being put in a dress for a family gatherings as young as he can remember. Even cutting his hair off repeatedly. He was never a girl. But he has two X chromosomes.

Your job: 

Provide an answer for this that is entirely environmental.

Provide an answer for how an 80s kid in a traditional mexican religious household developed classic gender dysphoria without it being a result of gestational hormone levels wired into the child's behavior.

[Heiden]

Okay, lets try something different.

I knew a girl, that's now a guy.

And "she" was this all over.  Even as a girl he had a real boxy body, broad shoulders, and walked masculinity. Couldnt dance. No grace. Liked to get dirty destroying things in the backyard as a kid. 

"Her" 2D/4D ratio was very masculine. He suffered gender dysphoria with XX chromosomes from as early as 4.

What's gender dysphoria? 

Trying to stand to pee and having to be told to sit, and by 2nd grade keeping a toy in his underwear to mimic a dick.

Not a hemophrodite, but born into the wrong body. And quite obviously.

Mental disease doesn't prompt a 4 year old "girl" from a very catholic Mexican family (a culture exalted for macho masculinity and pretty dresses for little girls) to want to pee standing up.

He has stories about screaming when being put in a dress for a family gatherings as young as he can remember. Even cutting his hair off repeatedly. He was never a girl. But he has two X chromosomes.

Your job: 

Provide an answer for this that is entirely environmental.

Provide an answer for how an 80s kid in a traditional mexican religious household developed classic gender dysphoria without it being a result of gestational hormone levels wired into the child's behavior.

fantasy bullshit. not possible to be born into the wrong body. Im not going to continue argueing with loons. Seek help

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

fantasy bullshit. not possible to be born into the wrong body. Im not going to continue argueing with loons. Seek help

But you could try, it could even be fun? You never really know, do you?

You didn't even chime in about why my friend was the way he was as a kid.

Boo deflection, boo!!!

You can't just call it a fantasy world and excuse yourself. Thats a withdrawal.

But It should be easy enough.

If it's fantasy, you have to explain the fantasy mechanism for why they acted the way they did without cultural influence.

Like, if there is no indoctrination of anything but pretty floral babydoll dresses for pretty girls on Sunday, how did he develope the gender dysphoric tendencies if it doesn't exist naturally?

I want to hear you're answer.

Come on. You own the looney left, don't you?

Well, make this my lunacy exposed moment and own me. Carry on the legacy of the Charlie Kirk and make this my turning point. 

I'm not a conflict averse martyr that has skin so thin they lash out at the mean people with counterproductive terrorism. 

And I'm a little drunk, so that could be fun for others too!

[Heiden]

But you could try, it could even be fun? You never really know, do you?

You didn't even chime in about why my friend was the way he was as a kid.

Boo deflection, boo!!!

You can't just call it a fantasy world and excuse yourself. Thats a withdrawal.

But It should be easy enough.

If it's fantasy, you have to explain the fantasy mechanism for why they acted the way they did without cultural influence.

Like, if there is no indoctrination of anything but pretty floral babydoll dresses for pretty girls on Sunday, how did she develope the gender dysphoric tendencies if it doesn't exist naturally?

I want to hear you're answer.

Come on. You own the looney left, don't you?

Well, make this my lunacy exposed moment and own me. Carry on the legacy of the Charlie Kirk and make this my turning point. 

I'm not a conflict adverse martyr that has skin so thin they lash out at the mean people with counterproductive terrorism. 

And I'm a little drunk, so that could be fun for others too!

I said I was done but here I am sucked back into fantasy land. They feel the way they do because its a mental illness. Some wires got crossed/ not connected. right body regardless if they feel like it not. it needs to be treated for what it is.

[Heiden]

But you could try, it could even be fun? You never really know, do you?

You didn't even chime in about why my friend was the way he was as a kid.

Boo deflection, boo!!!

You can't just call it a fantasy world and excuse yourself. Thats a withdrawal.

But It should be easy enough.

If it's fantasy, you have to explain the fantasy mechanism for why they acted the way they did without cultural influence.

Like, if there is no indoctrination of anything but pretty floral babydoll dresses for pretty girls on Sunday, how did he develope the gender dysphoric tendencies if it doesn't exist naturally?

I want to hear you're answer.

Come on. You own the looney left, don't you?

Well, make this my lunacy exposed moment and own me. Carry on the legacy of the Charlie Kirk and make this my turning point. 

I'm not a conflict averse martyr that has skin so thin they lash out at the mean people with counterproductive terrorism. 

And I'm a little drunk, so that could be fun for others too!

Ill even add to it. My Gfs son is a full blown liberal flaming gay. Id bet money Antifa. I expect him to cut off his dick any day now. But just like the rest of these people. its a mental illness

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I said I was done but here I am sucked back into fantasy land. They feel the way they do because its a mental illness. Some wires got crossed/ not connected. right body regardless if they feel like it not. it needs to be treated for what it is.

Thats kind of an answer?

Mental disease to be treated.  I can work with that. 

What mental disease made "her" want to (from age 4) try to pee standing up like a boy while dressing like a boy and having the mannerisms of a boy, if there was no trauma or environmental conditioning to cause "her" to think or want to do that?  

Explain some other traits you'd attribute to this mental disease.

[Heiden]

Thats kind of an answer?

Mental disease to be treated.  I can work with that. 

What mental disease made "her" want to (from age 4) try to pee standing up like a boy while dressing like a boy and having the mannerisms of a boy, if there was no trauma or environmental conditioning to cause "her" to think or want to do that?  

Explain some other traits you'd attribute to this mental disease.

This is kinda dumb for me to even respond to. I have no idea about this girl, she could have been hit in the head for all I know.

[AnAlternateOpinion]

The born in the wrong body narrative is clumsy and oversimplified framework for understanding transsexuality and nothing more than a phrase used by trans people to try to simplify the idea for cis people that don't have the emotional capacity, or wherewithal to grasp the idea.

[Unknownparadox]

Like if the mother has an overactive thyroid and gets prescribed hormones to get that under control it raises the likelihood of androgynous traits in the fetus...

Am I understanding this correctly? That exposure to hormones in the womb, has a effect on the child development? I wonder would chemicals that the body mistakes for hormones, AKA hormone mimicking chemicals in plastic, could do the same thing?

You know that stuff that the world is bathed in, it's everywhere, you don't need a prescription for it. You probably have around 7 grams of it in your brain. 

But for some reason or another, no one democrat that wants to help the trans, will try and put a stop to.