Gerrymander based on ideology instead of race

[chr0naut]

You say undocumented, the correct word is illegal. That is not a lie, that is the law.

Sure, crossing into the US over its borders without officially approved documentation is illegal, but it is a misdemeanour. It is also technically illegal to jaywalk but no-one is being arrested and imprisoned for that because it is a misdemeanour.

And here is the twist; US laws regarding refugees require that they must apply for asylum from within the borders of the USA. The reason is that refugees can't apply at an embassy, and if they were to be trying to escape a belligerent country, there may not be an embassy or access to a US embassy in the their country.

So, all someone who has crossed the border without permissive documentation has to do, is to request asylum and suddenly they are no longer 'illegal', at least until they have had their time in court. They know this and so almost all immigrants stopped at the border have requested asylum and are therefore not illegals anymore!

Trump said the third term to get people like you upset. Are you his puppet now?

Trump both lied about the elections and tried to stay in power at the end of his first term. He has several times said that he will have a third term and his strategists have said that he will have a third term.

Trump is also prosecuting multiple wars (contrary to what he promised), and he is lying about crime levels within the country to create several 'emergency' situations where he can suspend the US Constitution.

The impact of several of the things Trump has done or intended, are bigger than the USA. He is setting things up to escalate to world war. The non-involvement of countries that have been directly attacked by Iran shows that they recognise Trump's strategy and won't cooperate.

From December 2026 the US will begin automatically begin registering most young people as available for a draft, should a war be declared (the legislation has already passed) and the only way the US can 'win' in Iran is to send in massed ground forces (it also gives a timeline to the escalation of the war there, because things are occurring according to a long established plan).

Tell me, why would they go to the expense of renaming the Department of Defence, to the Department of War? Is it because they intend war, and have planned it?

None of this is a joke to troll people.

Most of the rest of you our post is referencing from over 50 years ago. 

Some ICE detentions may be mistakes but many are from attacking ICE agents or not coporatig in the encounter. 

Why Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota, of all places? Why not go into the places with more crime and/or more migrants? None of it makes sense except for Trump trying to bully the States and show his power.

What is ICE to do when a child is abandoned because their parent just ran away from ICE and the child is standing there? They can't legally leave them alone by themself.

You make them wards of the state. You don't send them to a transient 'holding' camp with a view to sending them to a concentration camp for adults in a particularly lawless foreign country.

I can't find why that woman was detained. All the articles are about her being detained not why. Do you have that information? I can't give an opinion without information.

Most of the articles say that she was detained because she did not declare a prior conviction for possession of marijuana from 10 years ago, for which she paid a fine. She was travelling on a green-card, and has been a US citizen by naturalization for 25 years.

She had been back to New Zealand, her birth country, to celebrate her uncle's 80th birthday and was arrested returning to the US - how subversive was that!.

She has been shackled for hours, shipped from one US State to another, has been denied food and water has had to sleep on the floor and she has been locked-up 22 hours per day.

Cruel and unusual punishment?

[chr0naut]

You have confused Trump, who never "continued to enact his edict despite his edict being declared unconstitutional," with Biden, who DID.

No president has ever implemented a new law that hasn't been "ratified" (not the correct word.)

Harte

What order? Trump team ignoring 1 in 3 major judicial rulings against them, analysis finds

Looking back at 2025: the Supreme Court and the Trump administration

[Antidoppleganger]

Sure, crossing into the US over its borders without officially approved documentation is illegal, but it is a misdemeanour. It is also technically illegal to jaywalk but no-one is being arrested and imprisoned for that because it is a misdemeanour.

And here is the twist; US laws regarding refugees require that they must apply for asylum from within the borders of the USA. The reason is that refugees can't apply at an embassy, and if they were to be trying to escape a belligerent country, there may not be an embassy or access to a US embassy in the their country.

So, all someone who has crossed the border without permissive documentation has to do, is to request asylum and suddenly they are no longer 'illegal', at least until they have had their time in court. They know this and so almost all immigrants stopped at the border have requested asylum and are therefore not illegals anymore!


Trump both lied about the elections and tried to stay in power at the end of his first term. He has several times said that he will have a third term and his strategists have said that he will have a third term.

Trump is also prosecuting multiple wars (contrary to what he promised), and he is lying about crime levels within the country to create several 'emergency' situations where he can suspend the US Constitution.

The impact of several of the things Trump has done or intended, are bigger than the USA. He is setting things up to escalate to world war. The non-involvement of countries that have been directly attacked by Iran shows that they recognise Trump's strategy and won't cooperate.

From December 2026 the US will begin automatically begin registering most young people as available for a draft, should a war be declared (the legislation has already passed) and the only way the US can 'win' in Iran is to send in massed ground forces (it also gives a timeline to the escalation of the war there, because things are occurring according to a long established plan).

Tell me, why would they go to the expense of renaming the Department of Defence, to the Department of War? Is it because they intend war, and have planned it?

None of this is a joke to troll people.


Why Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota, of all places? Why not go into the places with more crime and/or more migrants? None of it makes sense except for Trump trying to bully the States and show his power.


You make them wards of the state. You don't send them to a transient 'holding' camp with a view to sending them to a concentration camp for adults in a particularly lawless foreign country.


Most of the articles say that she was detained because she did not declare a prior conviction for possession of marijuana from 10 years ago, for which she paid a fine. She was travelling on a green-card, and has been a US citizen by naturalization for 25 years.

She had been back to New Zealand, her birth country, to celebrate her uncle's 80th birthday and was arrested returning to the US - how subversive was that!.

She has been shackled for hours, shipped from one US State to another, has been denied food and water has had to sleep on the floor and she has been locked-up 22 hours per day.

Cruel and unusual punishment?

-You are equating ignoring our national sovereignty and crossing the border, subsequently taking advantage of social systems with jay-walking. Illegal Alien is the correct legal term. 
-Amnesty: they must apply in the first nation they enter, not to any nation of their choice. 
-Injunctions issued by federal district judges aren't necessarily legal, one must consider jurisdiction and the parties affected.  They are not allowed to address broad parties. Several judges have  overstepped their authority.  Congress is working out a way to clarify scope. Who is overstepping authority, the executive or the judicial?  Executive authority over immigration is constitutionally granted. 
-What several wars is Donald Trump prosecuting?  He has engaged the US in a protracted military conflict with Iran. (though not technically a war, I see little difference).
-'Department of War' is the rightful, original name.  Outside of WWII it has never engaged in defense.
-You stated that Trump lied about elections? Which lies? Look at the election fraud in Fulton Co., GA. That was once regarded as a 'lie'.  I think time will tell and history will make fools of many of us.

Gerrymandering:  It's bad. Roughly 40% of California and Massachusetts votes republican, yet that 40% had almost no representation.  That is by the design of the Democrat party. Democrats have been doing for a very long time; so much so they cannot squeeze out any more districts.  Republicans are now doing the exact same thing.
Carving out districts based on race is also bad, unconstitutional even, no matter how one may emotionally attempt to justify it. 

Most of what you stated appears to be supposition, what you suppose and guess, the reasons may be. Some of them may even be correct, unfortunately they seem to be presented as facts.

[govshill2]

What order? Trump team ignoring 1 in 3 major judicial rulings against them, analysis finds

Looking back at 2025: the Supreme Court and the Trump administration

Those old cases are all dried up now and Trump won most especially the real high impact cases.  Garcia is deported anyway, and that Judge is under investigation.  Those 2 articles are biased and were propaganda.  

[BeyondKnowledge]

Sure, crossing into the US over its borders without officially approved documentation is illegal, but it is a misdemeanour. It is also technically illegal to jaywalk but no-one is being arrested and imprisoned for that because it is a misdemeanour.

And here is the twist; US laws regarding refugees require that they must apply for asylum from within the borders of the USA. The reason is that refugees can't apply at an embassy, and if they were to be trying to escape a belligerent country, there may not be an embassy or access to a US embassy in the their country.

So, all someone who has crossed the border without permissive documentation has to do, is to request asylum and suddenly they are no longer 'illegal', at least until they have had their time in court. They know this and so almost all immigrants stopped at the border have requested asylum and are therefore not illegals anymore!


Trump both lied about the elections and tried to stay in power at the end of his first term. He has several times said that he will have a third term and his strategists have said that he will have a third term.

Trump is also prosecuting multiple wars (contrary to what he promised), and he is lying about crime levels within the country to create several 'emergency' situations where he can suspend the US Constitution.

The impact of several of the things Trump has done or intended, are bigger than the USA. He is setting things up to escalate to world war. The non-involvement of countries that have been directly attacked by Iran shows that they recognise Trump's strategy and won't cooperate.

From December 2026 the US will begin automatically begin registering most young people as available for a draft, should a war be declared (the legislation has already passed) and the only way the US can 'win' in Iran is to send in massed ground forces (it also gives a timeline to the escalation of the war there, because things are occurring according to a long established plan).

Tell me, why would they go to the expense of renaming the Department of Defence, to the Department of War? Is it because they intend war, and have planned it?

None of this is a joke to troll people.


Why Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota, of all places? Why not go into the places with more crime and/or more migrants? None of it makes sense except for Trump trying to bully the States and show his power.


You make them wards of the state. You don't send them to a transient 'holding' camp with a view to sending them to a concentration camp for adults in a particularly lawless foreign country.


Most of the articles say that she was detained because she did not declare a prior conviction for possession of marijuana from 10 years ago, for which she paid a fine. She was travelling on a green-card, and has been a US citizen by naturalization for 25 years.

She had been back to New Zealand, her birth country, to celebrate her uncle's 80th birthday and was arrested returning to the US - how subversive was that!.

She has been shackled for hours, shipped from one US State to another, has been denied food and water has had to sleep on the floor and she has been locked-up 22 hours per day.

Cruel and unusual punishment?

Others have covered this well but I would like to think you for the information on the New Zealand woman.

She broke a federal law by not admitting she broke a law earlier but paid for that one. Do you not see how another law was broken? 

You also don't seem to realize what is involved in being locked up for a federal crime.

[chr0naut]

-You are equating ignoring our national sovereignty and crossing the border,

America has never respected the sovereignty of any other country. Turn about is fair play.

When the U.S. Doesn't Respect Other Countries' Sovereignty

subsequently taking advantage of social systems with jay-walking. Illegal Alien is the correct legal term. 

Where's their spaceship, then? Clearly they are entirely human.

-Amnesty: they must apply in the first nation they enter, not to any nation of their choice. 

That would be a silly thing to write into law. if someone was running from danger in one country, but was forced to stop in an allied country, they would not be out of danger.

Surely they should ask for asylum in a country that can offer them the freedom and security they require, not just what ever happens to be the most adjacent to the source of their distress?

Amnesty.org

-Injunctions issued by federal district judges aren't necessarily legal,

Wut?

one must consider jurisdiction and the parties affected. They are not allowed to address broad parties.

Justice is supposed to be blind. That's why the statue of Lady Justice is blindfolded and carries a balance and a sword.



Applying equally, regardless of "jurisdiction and parties".

Several judges have  overstepped their authority.  Congress is working out a way to clarify scope. Who is overstepping authority, the executive or the judicial?  Executive authority over immigration is constitutionally granted. 

The legal system in the USA has people who are declared to be 'above the law' and clearly favours the wealthy and politically powerful. Something that is not "justice" by international standards.

-What several wars is Donald Trump prosecuting? 

What wars? Ones in Iran, Somalia, Ukraine, Venezuela, Yemen and Nigeria. Trump didn't start them all, and they mostly have nothing to do with the USA, and posed no threat to the USA, but Trump has inserted himself in there and is prosecuting them - sending weapons and troops.

He has engaged the US in a protracted military conflict with Iran. (though not technically a war, I see little difference).

Iran, Trump, his military and Congress have all called the Iran conflict a war, over and over again. It's a war.

Trump is trying to use the same excuse that Putin used in his war against Ukraine.

A limited military conflict that was over in a single strike, on a single front, might be argued to not be a war, but extended conflict with multiple actions on multiple fronts id clearly a war.

And, no matter what you call it, people get dead and maimed.

-'Department of War' is the rightful, original name.  Outside of WWII it has never engaged in defense.

A "Department of War" has no justification for existence if the country is not at war. A "Department of Defence" works in both war and peacetime. Renaming the department was a clear warning of intent.

-You stated that Trump lied about elections? Which lies? Look at the election fraud in Fulton Co., GA. That was once regarded as a 'lie'.  I think time will tell and history will make fools of many of us.

Over 60 lawsuits filed by Trump and his allies challenging the election results were dismissed by at least 86 judges. These dismissals were based on the lack of factual or legal basis for the claims made. After extensive investigations, there were fewer than 475 potential instances of voter fraud out of more than 25 million votes cast. This number would not have affected the outcome of the election. Despite the FBI raid on Fulton County, there has not been any definitive legal proof that there was anything untoward with the 2020 vote there.

Allegedly, Tulsi Gabbard has testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee that she was phoned by Trump asked her to observe the raid, and that the FBI evidence truck she had stood in had been "empty", whaich raises questions about what happened to the boxes of evidence removed. But this was under cross examination and seems to have been now redacted.

Gerrymandering:  It's bad. Roughly 40% of California and Massachusetts votes republican, yet that 40% had almost no representation.  That is by the design of the Democrat party. Democrats have been doing for a very long time; so much so they cannot squeeze out any more districts.  Republicans are now doing the exact same thing.
Carving out districts based on race is also bad, unconstitutional even, no matter how one may emotionally attempt to justify it. 

I actually agree. Neither party wants true representation where all votes are equal. The fact that either party tries to get unfair advantage by gerrymander, and are able to do so, shows that your elections are not really representative of the preferences of the people, but more a game of who can cheat best.

Most of what you stated appears to be supposition, what you suppose and guess, the reasons may be. Some of them may even be correct, unfortunately they seem to be presented as facts.

Well it didn't used to be supposition, but now guns keep people alive, medicines are tools of mass destruction, lies are 'alternate' truths, a twice impeached felon is in the White House and is driving the US into another long war against a country that could not pose a threat to the USA.

[chr0naut]

Others have covered this well but I would like to think you for the information on the New Zealand woman.

She broke a federal law by not admitting she broke a law earlier but paid for that one. Do you not see how another law was broken? 

You also don't seem to realize what is involved in being locked up for a federal crime.

The Federal officers have broken a far more serious law:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. - 8th Amendment to the US Constitution.

I hope that when Trump is gone, that all, without exception, complicit in crimes will be fairly judged and prosecuted and true justice be returned to the USA.

[ElitePlebeian]

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The Southern border hasn't been open going back to 1848, after all of California and most of Texas were taken from Mexico in the Mexican-American war. Of course, there was a military reason for patrolling and securing the border, ensuring it wasn't crossed by Mexican forces.

... at no time since then has the Southern border been open. Trump is lying.

You understand words can have different meanings right? I think its not just disingenuous that you would call the border closed under Joe Biden I think its closer to an actual lie than the claim that is what Trump does when he said it was open. Its like saying look I can see the water coming out of the tap but didnt you read the closed sign next to the tap from 1848?

Based on that alone it makes me want to take the rest of what you post with a grain of salt unfortunately.

[chr0naut]

You understand words can have different meanings right? I think its not just disingenuous that you would call the border closed under Joe Biden

I actually never posted that the border was "closed" under Biden.

You see, the same legislation that governs how people may transit the border and the presence and numbers of Border Patrol officers have been much the same during the Trump and Biden administrations.

According to Border Patrol published data, there were 2.4 million 'encounters' between Border Patrol officers and people who crossed the southern border during Trump's first term, and there were 10 million 'encounters' during Biden's term.

As the vast majority of those who succeeded in entering illegally avoided any encounters, it could be argued that the data shows that Biden actually stopped more than Trump did.

But Trump is trying to imply that those 'encounters' were actually the numbers of people who have successfully stayed in the country illegally. That isn't what the numbers are saying.

And, you also can't claim both that people are illegally crossing the border, and at the same time claim it is fully open. If it were open, they wouldn't be breaking the law by crossing the border, so not 'illegal'.

I think its closer to an actual lie than the claim that is what Trump does when he said it was open. Its like saying look I can see the water coming out of the tap but didnt you read the closed sign next to the tap from 1848?

Do you actually think that when there is an 'encounter' between Border Patrol and someone attempting to cross the border, that officers are just letting them in? Or are the officers, in fact, stopping and arresting them, or turning them back?

Based on that alone it makes me want to take the rest of what you post with a grain of salt unfortunately.

I think that you want what Trump says to be right, because it gives you someone to hate.

Perhaps they should entirely close the borders? That would prevent all those criminal, rapist, drug dealing, US citizens from crossing. You know, they're not sending their best. I mean, they are bad bad people, very bad, and there might be a few good ones too. But we don't want the bad US citizens to escape into the world.

(Numerous studies show that immigrant populations always have lower crime rates than indigenous populations, and illegal immigrants an even lower crime rate than legal immigrants probably because the consequences of convicted out are so much worse).

[quintessentone]

Newsflash:

"Supreme Court Sets Off Gerrymandering Frenzy

The justices can no longer pretend to be above politics."

"The raw power grabs on display may be just the kind of thing to rouse voters to anger. Yes, midterm elections in November will turn on issues such as affordability and the war in Iran. But when people feel something being wrested away from them, they can fight back.

And Congress must act. It can ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, in red states and blue states alike.
It should enact legislation to make clear that American citizens can sue to protect their right to vote when it is infringed. Legislation should give voters of color a meaningful opportunity to prove intentional discrimination, and it should make sure that judges apply strict scrutiny to laws that impinge on the franchise.

And Congress should recognize the danger of an unelected Supreme Court — highly ideological, appointed for life — taking a hammer to laws that uphold political equality. This past month reinforces the need for Court reform, including an 18-year term limit for justices. " (LLM)

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...ing-frenzy